[DelphiUser]

I Said: ... I was not aware that Elsie was offering me anything...

U Said: Elsie has continued to offer you a clear picture.

ROTFLOL! You need to read more of Elsie's posts!

U Said: You are the one throwing mud to obscure the scene! Why not answer questions, instead of whining about calling foul?

Do you actually have an honest question?

I promise to do my best to answer an honest question you want to put to me, I do not claim to know every thing, but I know more about what I believe than you or Elsie does. In truth, I tell you that I have yet to detect an honest question from you, so please set it off in some way so I can separate it from your invective, Thank you.

U Said: I suggest that you have no answers that you are willing to reveal.

Click my name at the bottom of this post, read my page, follow my links, you obviously do no know anything about me that the simplest research would reveal.

BTW, It was the saddest day of this election cycle when FDT dropped out (I looked at your page, and thus know you are a fellow Fredhead...)

U Said: Darkness, again? Come out into the Light. Let us know what you really believe, instead of your deceit.

WOW! you have not even asked a question and already you are calling me a liar, I wonder if you think that is actually the way to get people to answer questions you have yet to ask...

U Said: I have studied your cult.

All religions that are organized enough to have a name are technically a cult, look it up, I did.

U Said: I am convinced it is a cult.

Yep, just like the Catholics, Baptists, methodists, and evangelicals...

U Said: It is anathema to Christians.

It is True Christianity, it is an anathema to "Orthodox" Christianity which was corrupted in 325 AD.

U Said: It teaches a path to godhood, bound with secret rituals, and tithing. It makes women second class, though you protest that with no facts, just your opinion.

Path to God hood, Just like Jesus was condemned for: Philip. 2: 5&6

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Since I am a man, and men were created in God's Image. Gen 1:26&27

26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

So, according tot he Bible, the title God can be plural...

and since the Bible promises that I can become a Joint heir with Jesus, Rom 8 : 16 - 17

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

so I am going from the Bible on this, no Joseph smith Quotations, no hidden doctrine, get it? I can also show you stuff written by Hippolytus and several other Pre Nicea church fathers that agrees with Mormonism, if you really want to go there, or do you just want to name call?

Oh, can't miss the women as second class citezens, LOL! since when, oh wait you believe that tripe about a man not calling his wife so she dosn't get to go to heaven, LOL what a load and you bought it, LOL!

U Said: I do not see LDS as Christians,

Fortunately then for me, it's not your opinion that matters, Jesus will judge who is his, and you should not be judging that (just a hint).

U Said: no matter what they call themselves.

Again, it's what Jesus call each of us that matters, not what we call ourselves or each other.

U Said: They do not accept me, either!

I truly believe you are a Christian, in that you believe in Jesus Christ, is that what you mean?

I Said: I don't believe in Idols

You put up a picture of Moroni on top of the Temple.

Have you ever seen a cathedral? How many churches have little Idols images of patron saints for people to burn candles in front of? How many have paintings of murals, how many "Christians" pray to Mary, or the Rosary, how many "Christians" have paintings of angels or apostles in their church, or stained glass windows? This is funny, you do realize that many of the same people who condemn us for some imagined breaking of a law are themselves breakers of the law, if it's interpreted the same for them as they would say it is for us?

A scripture for you.

Here is a fun little reference for you to think about:
As Dr. John A. Reiner, a Catholic Theologian said:

“You Mormons are all ignoramuses. You don’t even know the strength of your own position. It is so strong that there is only one other tenable in the whole Christian world, and that is the position of the Catholic Church. The issue is between Catholicism and Mormonism. If we are right, you are wrong; if you are right, we are wrong; and that’s all there is to it. The Protestants haven’t a leg to stand on. If we are wrong, they are wrong with us, for they were a part of us and went out from us; while if we are right, they are apostates whom we cut off long ago. If we really have, as we claim, the apostolic succession from St. Peter, there was no need for Joseph Smith and Mormonism; but if we have not that succession, then such a man as Joseph Smith was necessary, and Mormonism’s attitude is the only consistent one. It is either the perpetuation of the Gospel from ancient times, or the restoration of the Gospel in latter days.”

Source : A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, p. 3

Mormons are what they are and we do not excuse ourselves, but neither do we take kindly to those who would paint us blacker than we are, the Pharisees painted Jesus as a criminal, so it can be done to anyone, but Christ did not and Christians should not paint anyone as any thing, they should be allowed to be as they are, good or evil without "help".

God bless you and bring you to a knowledge of his truths.

[WVKayaker]

Thou does protest too much! Maybe thou needest to read something besides Mormon literature.

Do you have training in classic Greek? How about Hebrew? How about Elizabethan English literature?

Here is a fun little reference for you to think about:

As Dr. John A. Reiner, a Catholic Theologian said:

“You Mormons are all ignoramuses. You don’t even know the strength of your own position. It is so strong that there is only one other tenable in the whole Christian world, and that is the position of the Catholic Church. The issue is between Catholicism and Mormonism. If we are right, you are wrong; if you are right, we are wrong; and that’s all there is to it. The Protestants haven’t a leg to stand on. If we are wrong, they are wrong with us, for they were a part of us and went out from us; while if we are right, they are apostates whom we cut off long ago. If we really have, as we claim, the apostolic succession from St. Peter, there was no need for Joseph Smith and Mormonism; but if we have not that succession, then such a man as Joseph Smith was necessary, and Mormonism’s attitude is the only consistent one. It is either the perpetuation of the Gospel from ancient times, or the restoration of the Gospel in latter days.”

Source : A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, p. 3

..and that proves exactly what? I am not Roman Catholic. I don't recognize a Pope, either. Your cult certainly shows no "restoration of the Gospel", when it perverts the truths of that "good news".

Why can't God use a council in 325 AD, if you believe that an angel came to Joe Smith in the 1800's? I guess old martin Luther didn't see any truth, either, according to your list of cults.

I have presented honest questions, and get the party line... milk!