Posted on 04/23/2008 4:49:36 PM PDT by Politicalmom
SAN ANGELO, Texas – The first of more than 400 children taken from a polygamist compound boarded buses Tuesday bound for 16 emergency shelters, children's homes and foster care agencies throughout the state, including two in North Texas.
As the buses rolled out, the children eagerly waved and smiled at television cameras. Lawyers inside the San Angelo Coliseum who were meeting with their adult or child clients said authorities allowed no one in or out while the children, 114 of them by day's end, were loaded onto the buses.
(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...
"I am here today to release disturbing information found during my investigation about the deaths, poisonings, rapes and pregnancies of children in our state's foster care system.
"I found, from information provided by the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, in Fiscal 2003, 30 foster children died in our state's care; in Fiscal 2004, 38 foster children died; and in Fiscal 2005, 48 foster children died.
"Data shows that while the number of foster children in our state's care increased 24 percent from 26,133 in Fiscal 2003 to 32,474 in Fiscal 2005, the number of deaths increased 60 percent.
"If you compare the number of deaths of children in our state's population to the number of deaths in our state's foster care system, a child is four times more likely to die in our state's foster care system.
"Based on Fiscal 2004 data provided by the Health and Human Services Commission, about 100 children received treatment for poisoning from medications; 63 foster children received medical treatment for rape that occurred while in the foster care system; and 142 children gave birth while in the state foster care system.
"As alarming as these cases are, we can only imagine how much worse the Fiscal 2005 data is because Gov. Perry's Health and Human Services Commission has refused to provide the data needed to complete my investigation. "When I called on Gov. Perry in October 2004 to create a Crisis Management Team, I said the crisis was minute-by-minute and child-by-child.
"In Fiscal 2004, four-year old twin boys living in the same foster home received medical treatment in the hospital for rape.
"A five-year old boy in the same foster home received medical treatment in the hospital for rape two days later.
"A 15-year old girl who was not pregnant when she entered our state's foster care system in May 2002 gave birth in February 2004.
"The state is supposed to be protecting our forgotten children, but in all too many cases these children are taken from one abusive situation and placed in another abusive situation. Many children are in more abusive situations now than they were before the state intervened. Children are being neglected and abused and are dying
no it is not Carolyn Jessop
Carolyn Jessop has blue or green eyes, the 17 yr old in the picture has brown eyes.
Yeah, I don’t like the Foster bashing, either. Every system has good and bad in it.
Thank you! I have been googling trying to find out if Carolyn Jessup and Carolyn Young were the same. I just couldn’t figure the discrepency in the age.
Here is the group of then wives.
Carolyn is on the back row, far left.
She is somewhat attractive. The others are huge.
The photo is id’s as Carolyn young wife. Not Carolyn.
they are not the same two people.
Didn’t Carolyn Jessop have a daughter that went back to the FLDS? Maybe Carolyn Young is the daughter of Carolyn Jessop, maybe the sick b@stard married his daughter who is in the picture with the 3 children.
If regular families were checked as foster care is, you would see worse figures.
Myself, I would have rather have taken my chances in foster care
than the family I grew up in.
If that is Carolyn Jessop (as you say) in the picture with 3 children and if she did not get “married” until 18 yrs old. Then it would make her about 21 or 22 in the picture with the 3 children. Honestly if that is Carolyn Jessop (and not Carolyn Young) does she look like she is 21 or 22 years old in the picture? (The children look to be 3, 2, and 1 in age and the mother looks 17 and not 21 or 22 yrs of age.)
It is Carolyn Young at the age of 17 with her 3 children.
yes... they look a like except for eye color and the nose’s look different.
Many FLDS women look a like because of the in breeding.
If you're talking about 12 decades ago, then I'll go with B. Carmon Hardy's number: 20-30%...
...because we were polygamists (because 10-20% of the church was into the plural thing) 12 DECADES AGO, that somehow TODAY we are EXACTLY the same as this FLDS cult today.
Well, let's telescope this closer to our age, then, eh?
Let's start with your 120-year ago assumption:
1890-1910: LDS leaders solemnized at least 260+ known plural marriages in the post-manifesto years when the church was pretending to be 100% against polygamy (source: Hardy, A Solemn Covenant, 1992)--including dozens by LDS leaders like by apostles Taylor & Cowley (later ex-communicated) or by Ivins in Mexico, who was rewarded for this & made a general authority in the early 1900s, or by others who became general authorities after solemnizing such plural marriage vows. [So that gets it down under 120 years to the 98-118 year range...lots of living Mormons' grandparents & great grandparents]
Early 1960s: Hardy cites a poll taken of mainstream Mormons: 40% say they would engage in polygamy if told to by their "prophet." Then, LDS apostle Bruce McConkie’s book, Mormon Doctrine (pp. 577-579 of 1966 edition, which was approved by the LDS First Presidency--unlike the initial late 1950s version which was not...McConkie says that polygamy will return to the Saints before Jesus returns. [Now we're down to under 50 years...lots of Mormons' parents & grandparents...plus I don't think Jesus returned "12 decades" ago, did he?]
1998: LDS “Church Handbook of Instructions” for LDS bishops: “A deceased woman may be sealed to ALL men to whom she was legally married during her life.” (“Sealed” in this case = sealed for all eternity to her multiple husbands, making her a polyandrous woman) [This sounds like your generation doesn’t it? If the LDS Church did not want this proxy sealing practice being done in its temples, it has total authoritative ‘say-so’—as it does in shutting the door on proxy baptisms in the cases of Jewish Holocaust victims]
Also current practice:: The LDS Church, as mentioned above, still allows a husband to be sealed in its temple to multiple wives (but only one "on this earth" wife at a time). In these cases, we're talking about men who have been serially married to multiple women--none at the same time on earth--but whom would be part of a heavenly harem if he makes it to the celestial kingdom. If the Mormon church was serious about "eradicating" future polygamy, it would ban the temple ritual for eternal sealings for a second wife. It doesn't. It views itself as the polygamous “feeder system” for eternal life family life. (Besides, which LDS leader is going to ex-communicate Young in the life beyond with his hundreds of wives?..57 "for time" and about 150 sealed to him "for eternity?" Or any of the other LDS leaders like Smith...who had over two dozen "for time" and a couple hundred "for eternity?") [With this practice, we're not talking about "the 1880s. Or 1870s. Or 1860s. The last time I checked, it is 2008"--and this is still current LDS temple mainstream Mormonism!]
On the fumarase deficiency thread, mention was made that approxomately 12 million in state aid went to the children who were diagnosed in Arizona, if I remember correctly. Add that to the state aid that the sect got for the unmarried mothers (spiritually married, but legally single) for their children. That right there is a lot of money. “Bleeding the beast” is what they are said to call the practice of getting state money.
In addition, the boys work for little or no money in the businesses run by FLDS which often get local government contracts. If they rebel, they are kicked out, google “Lost Boys.” Jeffs was, if I remember correctly, also charged with violating child labor laws; either him or one of his associates.
Pretty lucrative.
Are the LDS practicing polygamy on earth today? No.
If an LDS member enters into a polyg marriage can he/she remain a member? No. Excommunicated.
Do the LDS marry multiple child brides? No.
Do the LDS kick out their teenage boys so they don’t provide competition for horny old guys? No.
Do LDS live in isolated compounds and rarely interact with the outside world? No.
Do LDS women wear 1890’s-style pioneer dresses? No.
Bottom line: We live in the here and now. You are stuck in the past. I don’t know what motivates your intense dislike of all things Mormon—I don’t know if it’s Christlike love for our eternal welfare or if it’s just spiteful hatred...but I humbly suggest you get a new hobby.
LDS and fLDS is one faith, two expressions; one faith, two affiliations.
Besides, you share your parents' last name, don't you? If your name was "Choose LDS" and your mom's name was "Day LDS," they would be close, right? (After all, the LDS gave birth to this "problem child" in the 1930s & named their "son," "Fundie").
Someone posted this thread today with some comments from Mormon Democrat Congressional leader Harry Reid: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2005973/posts
"The recent raid of one polygamist compound in Texas uncovered many of these problems," Reid wrote in his current letter. "But Texas may just be the tip of the iceberg."
My response on that thread was: (Duh, Mr. Mormon Representative...Ya think??? Now that...
...the LDS gave birth to this "problem child" in the 1930s & named their "son," "Fundie;"
...individual LDS leaders in key enforcement areas--except for some brief exceptions like 1944 & 1953 when they assisted law enforcement officials--looked the other way & failed to practice "tough love" re: this "problem child" for the past half-century;
..."problem child" has spawned yet other "problem grandchildren" in other states, provinces & colonies...
...Mr. Reid suddenly wakes up & concludes (to paraphrase), "You know, I'm thinking that Texas might just be an iceberg tip...that there could be something deeper here to the problem." Can you spell "intentional obliviousness"?)
As one ex-Mormon Web site framed it well: Fundamentalist Mormons are like the crazy aunt locked in the closet who won't die.
And the reality of it is that except for 3 or 4 features re: lifestyle management by "prophets," assessing fLDS is like hitting the rewind button of history to get a small glimpse at what parts of the 19th century LDS West looked like.
the original photo came from here...
http://polygamyabuse.org/default.aspx
ID as Carolyn_Young_Wife
and that the female is 17 yrs old
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