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To: Forgiven_Sinner; hunter112

Forgiven_Sinner: Well, I’ve generally noticed Pro-Lifers tend to use the term ‘human’ in the context of personhood; as in one’s inherent humanity, hence they are ‘human’ in nature, beyond their mere physical DNA. That Ms. Barans lady disputed that the unborn should be considered persons - i,e. should be considered ‘human’ - simply because they are alive and have human DNA. I offered counterpoints against that line of thought.

hunter112: I went over that in Argument 2: Philosophy. It is EXACTLY why the definition of one’s own inherent humanity, of one’s own personhood, should be set in stone and not be defined by an entity such as the State.


65 posted on 04/24/2008 7:10:11 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007; hunter112
“Forgiven_Sinner: Well, I’ve generally noticed Pro-Lifers tend to use the term ‘human’ in the context of personhood; as in one’s inherent humanity, hence they are ‘human’ in nature, beyond their mere physical DNA. That Ms. Barans lady disputed that the unborn should be considered persons - i,e. should be considered ‘human’ - simply because they are alive and have human DNA. I offered counterpoints against that line of thought.”

“hunter112: I went over that in Argument 2: Philosophy. It is EXACTLY why the definition of one’s own inherent humanity, of one’s own personhood, should be set in stone and not be defined by an entity such as the State.”

Thank you for your comments. The artificial splitting of “person” from “human” is a device to discriminate against certain classes of people.

From our Declaration of Independence, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, “

We see our right to life comes are creation and it comes from God. Therefore, person-hood from conception is established in the foundational document of our country.

From the Bible, we find this passage in Luke 1:

Mary Visits Elizabeth
39At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, 40where she entered Zechariah's home and greeted Elizabeth. 41When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!”

Not only is John the Baptist called a “child” in utero, at six months gestation, but also Jesus, who was just conceived after the appearance of the angel.

So, any Christian who upholds the authority of the Bible must be against abortion.

I'm sorry I haven't read your paper yet, but I'm home sick and operating only at 50% efficiency.

F.S.

68 posted on 04/24/2008 7:46:00 AM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him should not die)
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