Rozita Swinton Doesn’t Like the FLDS (abuse call came from her phone)

Dreamin Demon ^ | April 20th, 2008

[Elsie]

You are able to read and understand, even though you seem not to want to..

 

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2 Corinthians 11:12-15
 12.  And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.
 13.  For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
 14.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 15.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Like THESE guys??

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19

 

 

17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

 

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Galatians 1:6-9
 6.  I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--
 7.  which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
 8.  But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
 9.  As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

 

 

 

ANYBODY???

 

Like this fine looking fellow???

 

 

 

 

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Ephesians 2:1-2

   As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,  in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

[Elsie]

So again, by your understanding, which way is the right way that God uses to save us?

You, by your own admission, believe in the RESTORED Gospel.
You, by the standards of your own church, are a member of the ONLY true church.
You, have all the knowledge required to make sure a person makes it to heaven.
You will state that the ONLY way to be saved is the following:

 

 #3

We believe that through the Atonement of Christ,

 all mankind may be saved,

by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

 

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Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

 

 

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 

 

 

 

[metmom]

What percentage of your life and liberties are you willing to surrender to a government that presumes to know better than you how to raise your children?

So you think that incest, pedophilia, rape, waterboarding infants is just a matter of parental choice? That that's a better way to raise your children and it's just a matter of preference and the state (or anybody else) can't say it's wrong? Is it just a matter of preference to break the law?

This sets a dangerous precedent - removing 400+ children from their families on the basis of one phone call.

Jumping in with arguments that are two weeks old is just displaying your ignorance of the whole situation.

It isn't just one phone call, it's a whole decades long history with their current leaders in jail on charges and it's not SETTING precedent.

You clearly know nothing of how the child protective services works if you think this is setting precedent. It's following precedent, It's been done this way for decades across the country.

All that's needed to investigate for abuse is a phone call and it doesn't even have to be from the person who's claiming the abuse herself as in this case. It can be an anonymous tip on a hotline set up for the purpose of taking anonymous tips. Someone could just pick your name out of the phone book and you're screwed.

The only thing that sets this case apart from SOP is the number of kids involved.

You really need to learn more about what you're talking about before you make drive by posts and make yourself look like an idiot.

[metmom]

Geez, pandy, don’t confuse him with the facts. Anyone so determined to support a pedophila rape cult will continue to do so and twist everything to do it anyway.

People who just stick their fingers in their ears and sing, “La,... la, la, la,....la, la, la,..... I can’t hear you.” are living in their own deluded fantasy world where reality is not welcome.

Cultists will never be convinced.

But thanks for the information anyway. Someone who’s willing to learn the truth will appreciate it and benefit from it.

[metmom]

I said the massive attack was an attack on religious freedom.

Well, you're wrong.

I can't believe that any person would defend these kinds of heinous actions as *religious activity*. Religious activity is rape and incest? If the cult practiced child sacrifice, as many religions have done through out history, would you be defending that, too?

Demonstrate that this was based on religious intolerance and persecution and not simple for lawbreaking. Please provide sources to back up your statement.

They never would have done this in a pot smoking hippy convent where they were having orgies every night.

And you know this how? Please provide sources to back up your statement.

The Manson family did not even get this treatment.

You mean the same Manson family that's in jail for murder? And they got away with their well documented activities for how many decades? Can you say *hyperbole*? No, probably not.

Since you seem to find nothing wrong with this group, which chapter are you affiliated with?

[metmom]

How do you know it’s a lie? What sources to you have to support that?

[colorcountry]

Mapel leaf? Canada?

I know that the AUB (Apostolic United Brethren - LDS offshoot) polygamist group has a location in Canada, as well as the fLDS.

These people are probably quite conservative in their politics. It wouldn’t be a far stretch to see one of the men in heirarchy with computer access posting on this site. Perhaps this is the reason for defense of the lifestyle.

[metmom]

Exactly.

Anyone with any sense morals could never justify the actions of this group in any way, shape, or form. It is so contrary to the clear teachings of Scripture.

I couldn’t imagine even APPEARING to defend them. UGH. What an abomination their activities are before God.

[colorcountry]

Yep, as conservatives, we might even be able to see that there are troubling aspects to the legal case, and we even disagree based upon our ideas of government. BUT we would NEVER condone the raping of little girls, or the abuse of freedom in these cults where so many are held captive.

[hunter112]

Agreed. It is not the acts we are condoning, it is the method by which the government is detecting them that we question.

I have to say, that before I heard about this Swinton woman, and thought the original allegation had some truth to it, I was generally for this raid. The comments on this thread have really caused me to reconsider it. Laziness, callousness, or deceit on the part of police authorities is not justified by what they eventually find, that is the essense of the 4th Amendment.

[colorcountry]

I am for the raid. I believe LEO acted in good faith.

And so, we continue to disagree. I doubt if we will know the facts of this case for some time to come.

[latina4dubya]

It's looking more and more likely that she's both.

she's a nut who may have gotten it right this time...

[metmom]

What laziness, callousness, or deceit have the authorities displayed? People keep making these allegations and I have yet to see any justification for them.

They got the first warrant in good faith, with a lot of reason to believe the call was legitimate. If it wasn’t, that’s not their doing, that’s the doing of the girl who called in and she should be dealt with appropriately for making a false report, especially since this isn’t her first offense.

The caller stated that she was in a situation of abuse, where the kind of abuse she described is know to have happened. Warren Jeffs is in jail for those kinds of charges. Why would you expect the LEO to not take it seriously? Shouldn’t they have?

If they hadn’t and harm had come to the girl, the LEO would have been shredded for laziness and callousness. Sneers like *When seconds count, the police are only minutes away* would be made.

I’ve seen too many threads where the police are condemned for not responding quickly enough and someone gets hurt. Now they respond and they’re criticized for going too fast and not having all the facts. Must someone die before enough facts to demonstrate wrongdoing are present? If someone is aiming a gun at someone, do you wait till they shoot to act or do you try to prevent the shooting?

They got the second warrant based on what they encountered in the compound looking for the girl. What did they do wrong there? They are legally permitted to act if they find evidence of a crime in the course of performing their other duties. Should they just close their eyes to signs of child abuse and let it continue?

[metmom]

No body in El Dorado Texas noticed an area code from two states away??

If it was made from a cell phone, the area code is irrelevant.

[metmom]

*crickets*

Interesting.

[metmom]

Swinton was arrested April 16 at her Colorado Springs home on suspicion of false reporting to authorities in connection with similar claims made in February.

Notice the irony?

Swinton was ARRESTED on SUSPICION of making a false report. The folks at FLDS were not even arrested. Yet the government haters are condemning the government for removing the children from a situation that has a well known history of being abusive and dangerous but I don't hear a peep from them about Swinton being arrested on suspicion only.

Where are all the government haters on this one defending HER?

[metmom]

Better watch out for those black helicopters that have been seen in your neighborhood.

[norton]

Cell phones have area codes based on the neighborhood they were intended to be used in...mine is the same as my land line and my kid's is the same because I'm stuck with paying for it (he lives in another town). I seriously doubt Ms Swinton got her phone in ElDorado, or San Angelo, or wherever, then moved two states away and used it in lieu of a land line just so she could call the cops on the LDS ?

From what we're seeing more recently, the case is falling apart anyway. Which means the state will simply drive harder to make it stick and will wind up with one or two prosecutions.

[Choose Ye This Day]

Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam; spam spam spam egg and spam; spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam; ...or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam.

[Elsie]

*crickets*

Well...

...it IS Saturday.

Perhaps they just post on their BOSSES' time!