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Fight at scene of crash tragic, Circleville official says Dad charged with misconduct...
The Columbus Dispatch ^ | April 22, 2008 | Randy Ludlow

Posted on 04/22/2008 7:01:07 PM PDT by buccaneer81

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To: buccaneer81
This is inexcusable. My department (I am the Chief) has a chaplaincy program with that uses a cadre of trained local clergy that respond to accidents and other EMS scenes specifically to deal with situations such as this. They deal with the families and keep them safe while my EMT’s and Firefighters deal with the situation. The program is absolutely invaluable.
81 posted on 04/22/2008 8:44:04 PM PDT by Species8472 (If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing)
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To: gogeo

How do you know he would have been in the way?


82 posted on 04/22/2008 8:44:41 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Species8472

What a good idea. Do they ride with EMS?


83 posted on 04/22/2008 8:45:57 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Species8472
My department (I am the Chief) has a chaplaincy program with that uses a cadre of trained local clergy that respond to accidents and other EMS scenes specifically to deal with situations such as this.

That sounds like a fantastic idea.

84 posted on 04/22/2008 8:55:13 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: buccaneer81

Prevent me from assisting my son in an accident...I don’t give a crap how long it takes, you are a dead man.


85 posted on 04/22/2008 9:14:18 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: CindyDawg

They complete hazmat and blood born pathogen training and usually hit the first vacant seat out of the station. Many times the ride with me in the command vehicle. The chaplain will accompany the family either in the police car or use a command vehicle to transport the family to the hospital. If the family wants to use a private vehicle, the chaplain drives. (It’s a LOT safer that way)


86 posted on 04/22/2008 9:19:34 PM PDT by Species8472 (If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing)
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To: buccaneer81

Perhaps the officer was trying to spare the father the sight of seeing his son so badly hurt?

Sad situation. I too would want to be next to my son in a similar situation. However, I know I would be out of my mind which would not benefit my son or the emergency personnel trying to free him. Tough call for the officer. You would think they would be trained for such situations.

Not knowing more, I say drop the charges against the father. There are no winners here.


87 posted on 04/22/2008 9:23:45 PM PDT by He'sComingBack!
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To: Travis McGee
God bless all the OTHER state troopers, who deal with this kind of tragedy week in and week out AND HANDLE IT BETTER THAN THIS @SSHOLE DID.

I am sick of these Nazi thugs we call police officers.  Here in Connecticut, our State Troopers almost never drive the speedlimit, local cops all have attitudes ten stories high and every major city in the state (heck in most of New England for that matter) has unbelievable corruption charges pending against multiple officers right now.

Out of control it has become...

88 posted on 04/22/2008 9:30:40 PM PDT by Lloyd227 (and may God bless Oriana Fallaci)
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To: buccaneer81

Sounds to me like the dad was over the line, but who can blame him?

He’s suffered enough. Just dismiss the whole thing.


89 posted on 04/22/2008 9:30:50 PM PDT by djf
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To: buccaneer81
There is no evidence at all that the man was interfering or would have interfered with the emergency work. The cop in this case is a worthless pig that kept a man away from his dying son.
90 posted on 04/22/2008 9:31:02 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: BGHater

The LEO is a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER dressed in military gear. You are a civilian. Gone are the days of Peace Officers who didn’t think of himself as any different than you.


91 posted on 04/22/2008 9:57:30 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Rope, Tree & Traitor; Some Assembly Required || Gun Control Means Never Having To Say I Missed You)
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To: buccaneer81
I have to agree (now that I'm 44 and have an 11 year old son.) I got my license a month after my 16th birthday. I was beyond dangerous for the first couple of years.

lol. Have heard in some places; they are considering this; but don't think it will change. Some states have restrictions on how many passengers you can have for fist six months; no cell phone etc.

Think this helps; that and lots of driving experience - for sure if a child leans to 'attention deficit' - (but don't they all; at that age?); which again, goes beyond a 'maturity'; just a competent readiness.

Am wondering how it is; this boy just 'drove into oncoming lane'. (Gatheriing his books ups, etc. . .did he have a cell phone? ) No help for him now; but a learning message, perhaps; for his peers.

92 posted on 04/23/2008 4:33:27 AM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; before it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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To: dbwz

I Agree, I am a FF/EMT and Deputy coroner in our Northern WI county. I have seen this many times and the sad thing is that this man was a danger to the crews, himself and - his son. This is sad and while he should have been restrained maybe charges were a bit overboard. It really does depend on the scene. Prayers for the family!


93 posted on 04/23/2008 5:37:27 AM PDT by liberalsneedmeds (Liberals Need Meds!)
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To: dragnet2
My only point was that there may have been very valid reasons to not let any nonresponder to the scene. But, none of us know that.

I have been the responder (IIRC, you are/were a Police Officer and have as well). I have also been the one who has been required to keep loved ones at a safe distance while others are racing that short clock to save a life. It is not a fun job.

I'll reserve judgement unless I know much more than is stated in this very brief article.

94 posted on 04/23/2008 6:11:02 AM PDT by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: pnz1
circlevilleherald.com has an article and a photo of the scene. It stated that power lines fell on the dump truck.

I had not seen this before my other reply this morning.

I suppose all of those condemning the Deputy Sheriff would be condemning him equally if he had allowed the father to walk into an unsafe scene and make it a double tragedy.

95 posted on 04/23/2008 6:19:49 AM PDT by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: nmh

Common sense? I think those words are lost in our society as it is today. I know no one would have kept ME or MINE from standing near so our child could hear our voice. There IS a limit on authority. Some have the proper authority others only think they have. I’m so sad the boy is gone and we grieve for the father.


96 posted on 04/23/2008 7:01:51 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: buccaneer81

10-20 years ago the cop wouldn’t have interfered. Now you have to follow proper procedures or you can get fired or sued. Sad statement of the world we live in today.


97 posted on 04/23/2008 7:08:02 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: buccaneer81

A case where a father was in an accident and his two, grown sons were kept from the scene, happened here in PCB a couple of months ago. It was an ugly scene and was widely reported in the news.

LEO explained that it was a crime sene, as a hit and run is, and the investigation was on-going. The sons weren’t buying it and there was a scuffle. Both sons were charged with a minor infraction. Apologies were forthcoming from LEO and the family of the man, who was dead at the scene.


98 posted on 04/23/2008 8:28:39 AM PDT by jch10
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To: gogeo
Well, no...there were trained rescuers there, and dad would have only been in the way.

yeah, so threaten shoot him.

Stand between a man and his son, and you have it coming.

99 posted on 04/23/2008 8:33:13 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (media is now a double-edged sword; it's no longer a billy-club in the hands of the big goons.)
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To: coalman
I hope the guy sues

That's the problem with today's society...SUE, so the "taxpayers" (read you and I) can pay for this the rest of our lives.

What if the man had reached his son's side and grabbed him in his grief, moving him and possibly causing more damage to his spine or internal organs?

The emergency personel was asking for the chance to free the son and get him the help he needed to try to save his life. If the father had not distracted them, maybe the son could have survived.

100 posted on 04/23/2008 10:04:19 AM PDT by trussell (I carry because...When seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away)
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