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1 posted on 04/21/2008 10:15:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Andrew O’Hehir does not recognize Obama as a grifter.


2 posted on 04/21/2008 10:57:35 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I enjoyed reading this, thanks for posting it. And thanks go to the author for identifying the weak joints through which we will drive steel wedges this fall. By the time we get done with this Democrat, whichever of the two is finally nominated, they are going to look like chopped meat on a Philly cheesesteak.


3 posted on 04/21/2008 10:57:45 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think it’s definitely a Salon article. 3 snoozies.


4 posted on 04/21/2008 11:00:34 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~***Just say NO to the "O"***~~~)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here’s what I think - A) Is this the longest post ever, or does it just seem so? B) What is this guy doing on this board? and C) It’s always amazed me how the Dems decry wars, blaming the big, bad Reps, yet historically - overwhelmingly, it’s been Democrat presidents who’ve gotten us into them. Hmmmmmm.

The rest of what I think of this is too lengthy to mention.


6 posted on 04/21/2008 11:23:30 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think it’s a pretty good analysis, agree with a lot, disagree with some.

This point:

“It has robbed the United States of an effective opposition party for four decades, with no end in sight.”

I think is very true and very tragic for the country. Honest opposition, arguing different ideas toward the same goals is very healthy and helpful.

Lately we have the Power Hungry Traitors vs. the Incompetent Wanderers


8 posted on 04/21/2008 11:27:46 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, come on Andrew! The real question is “Do we want to lose because we nominated a Marxist or because we nominated a Marxist?”


9 posted on 04/21/2008 11:32:29 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; common tater; Bobalu; doug from upland

OUCH!




Here is the question, a cynic might suggest, that the Democratic Party must answer this summer: Do we want to lose because we drove away blacks or because we drove away white women? (Recent polling data suggests another cynical question: Do we prefer the candidate Americans believe is a liar or the one they believe is a Muslim?)


10 posted on 04/22/2008 12:24:47 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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The last president to command enthusiastic support from all sides of the Democratic coalition was Franklin D. Roosevelt.

It is very important to understand the disastrous ramifications of the above point concerning the extent of the support that FDR got from the Democratic coalition.

Given that the Founders required federal government powers to be enumerated in the Constitution, in order to establish his New Deal federal programs FDR first needed to do the following. He needed to rally the states to exercise their Article V power to amend the Constitution to essentially add his spending programs to Sec. 8 of Article I. Otherwise, the USSC would have to find FDR's programs to be constitutionally unauthorized, aka unconstitutional, if the states were to challenge them. And the states did indeed challenge them.

Astonishingly, instead of campaigning for the states to properly amend the Constitution, FDR showed appaling ignorance of the Constitution by encouraging Democratic-sympathizing justices to give carte blanche approval to his New Deal programs, the Constitution, especially 10th A. protected state powers, be damned.

Thus began not only the politically correct ignoring of the requirement for constitutionally enumerated federal government powers by big-shot Democratic spenders in Congress, but also the erosion of 10th A. protected powers, particularly the power to address religious issues, by pro-Democratic majority justices. Indeed, pro-Democratic majority justices have been short-changing USA citizens their religious freedoms for decades now.

This post (<-click), while addressing taxes, provides more details as to how USA citizens lost control of their wallets to the Democrat-controlled federal government, thanks to FDR and pro-Democratic justices who had no more respect for state powers than FDR did.

Again, given that the 10th A. protects state power to address religious issues, this post (<-click) tells how secular-minded, pro-Democratic justices, having FDR's politically correct license to ignore the 10th A., slowly began limiting our religious freedoms whenever religion-related state power cases came along. The resulting string of 10th A.-ignoring cases includes the USSC's scandalous legalization of abortion in Roe v. Wade.

The bottom line is that the people need to wise up to the fact that the federal government hasn't been operating within the restraints of the federal Constitution since the days of FDR's dirty Democratic politics. The people need to get in the faces of the feds, demanding that the feds not only eliminate constitutionally unauthorized federal spending programs while appropriately reducing federal taxes, but also demanding that the feds respect 10th A. state powers, particularly powers which help to protect our religious freedoms.

13 posted on 04/22/2008 1:04:57 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Of course it's meant to be a toxic metaphor, suggesting that Obama is a dewy-eyed Pied Piper leading his followers into a November electoral catastrophe.

If the shoe fits.

14 posted on 04/22/2008 1:18:56 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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poisoned at the root by overt and ugly sexism and covert and coded racism

Liberal fantasizing.

15 posted on 04/22/2008 1:58:03 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (It takes a father to raise a child.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I lived thru this but missed the dems divides.


18 posted on 04/22/2008 4:09:46 AM PDT by larryjohnson (FReepersonaltrainer,USAF(Ret))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Whoever the Democrats nominate will not be facing a popular incumbent but an awkward Republican nominee who has embraced an unpopular war and remains unloved by his own party's base.

Would he have called Nixon a "popular incumbent" at the time?

19 posted on 04/22/2008 4:34:44 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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I think this is a very insightful piece and well-written. I think there is a lot of truth in it. When Will Rogers claimed he belonged to no organized political party because he was a Democrat, he pretty much had it nailed.

Indeed, the Democrats have to decide between losing due to blacks or women, whether to run a pathological liar or an anti-American Muslim sympathist.

Which way lies madness? The way to Denver. I'm betting on the Donner party.

20 posted on 04/22/2008 5:08:13 AM PDT by Sender (Stop Islamisation. Defend our freedom.)
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What do you think?

Not bad. These factions in the Left just had to go to war with each other sooner or later.

And I'm loving every minute of it.


25 posted on 04/22/2008 1:51:00 PM PDT by rdb3 (Upward, onward, beyond...)
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semi-mythical gun-loving lumpenproletariat

A. I’m not lumpy.
B. I’m not semi-hysterical.
C. I am gun loving.
D. I’m not no paroletariat.


26 posted on 04/22/2008 4:15:45 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Could you summarize? I got lost around here:

In his recent Salon article, Michael Lind identifies the split between dueling Democratic wings of the 1950s, specifically between hard-headed pragmatist (and Cold War hawk) Harry Truman on one side and liberal idealist (and Cold War dove) Adlai Stevenson on the other. Like almost any comment anybody makes about this split, that's an invidious comparison, and Lind is clearly advocating one side of the equation. Truman won an election as the nominee of a divided party (against the odds) and Stevenson lost two of them (against even greater odds). But let's let that stand, since Lind's dating of the emergence of this division is clearly correct: The last president to command enthusiastic support from all sides of the Democratic coalition was Franklin D. Roosevelt.

There is that split in the Democratic Party. But nobody's ever going to do as well as FDR, who managed to bring together African-Americans and segregationists, Communists and Catholics in his various runs.

Truman did respectably. The breakaway elements were on the fringes: fellow travellers for Henry Wallace, and state's righters for Strom Thurmond.

Stevenson couldn't have won against Eisenhower. But for an egghead, he did succeed in carrying some states that are very Republican, "red," and rural today.

His problem wasn't that he only carried intellectuals. It was that Eisenhower won just about everywhere outside the Deep South and a few other pockets around the country.

28 posted on 04/22/2008 4:28:03 PM PDT by x
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