[antiRepublicrat]

I want to see the emails. Until then all I see is someone who clearly did not do the work necessary to get tenure and then pulled the ID card when denied it. Since getting to the university his publication rate went in a free fall, he got almost nothing for grants, none of his grad students got their doctorates, and he did almost no collaboration with other scientists at the university. These are the main factors in getting tenure, and he failed miserably on all counts.

Nobody here would be supporting him if he weren’t an ID proponent. If he were black we’d be saying he’s pulling the race card to get something he didn’t deserve. Stay on principle, which shouldn’t change by subject.

[AndrewC]

I want to see the emails. Until then all I see is someone who clearly did not do the work necessary to get tenure and then pulled the ID card when denied it.

Here,Public document requests under Iowa’s Open Records Act obtained correspondence of key faculty members within ISU’s Department of Physics and Astronomy.

And here is the work aspect.

If you want to do your own research for the raw numbers go here http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html

and put in the names of the individuals. Here are the results for a search from that site covering the period that Gonzalez was at ISU

Selected and retrieved 44 abstracts. Total normalized citations: 42
Stephen D. Kawaler Full Professor (Current Program Coordinator), Tenured Astronomer in ISU Dept. of Physics and Astronomy.

Selected and retrieved 78 abstracts. Total normalized citations: 210
Guillermo Gonzalez.

[Sun]

In your post 653, you are trying to make one side look bad.

I could go down your list and give the OTHER SIDE for each person, but yet you would come up with something so as not to believe that the ID scientists were persecuted.

Here’s the trailer for the movie, Expelled:

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/playground.php

The trailer shows scientists who were “expelled” for being independent thinkers.