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To: antiRepublicrat
Here, but you'll need a subscription. It gives him high marks in publishing while doing postdoc at UT and UW

I specifically asked for evidence from the university since it involves ISU. I don't think Richard Monastersky fits that description. In any case, why should I accept his opinion over yours?


Not to introduce a red herring, but I am glad you support my point in another discussion with this statement ...For research grants, schools rely on those for income, plus big grants are likely to produce big results, which brings prestige, which brings more grants... That's how universities work.


Your contention is all well and good, but I think that evidence should show a significant rise in the parameters you mentioned at ISU due to the results of the anti-academic freedom campaign involving Avalos against Gonzalez. This significant rise should be over whatever other changes are evident in those parameters at other universities.

It looks like IDers would like ID proponents to be a protected class, and I hate protected classes.

Well, I think your feelings color your view. I don't hate Darwinists, I just think they are wrong. I also think that they, the Darwinists, are protected.

457 posted on 04/28/2008 1:57:05 PM PDT by AndrewC (You should go see "Expelled")
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To: AndrewC
I specifically asked for evidence from the university since it involves ISU.

The university won't give any information directly since that's confidential. Sweet deal for Gonzalez, he gets to say whatever he wants and the university can't just bring out the truth. Gonzalez probably could request a release of those records showing the reason for the denial, but I notice he hasn't done that.

Your contention is all well and good, but I think that evidence should show a significant rise in the parameters you mentioned at ISU due to the results of the anti-academic freedom campaign involving Avalos against Gonzalez.

I don't see how. It sounded pretty standard fare. There's a glut of Ph.D.s and only so many tenure positions, so competition is fierce and the standards correspondingly high, especially in hard science areas. His department had a pretty low tenure acceptance rate overall.

I also think that they, the Darwinists, are protected.

Darwinists (if there are any anymore) will be a protected class when someone can claim they were fired for working on natural selection and people will rally around them for that. That's not going to happen any time soon.

And I don't hate IDers, I just hate the very concept of a protected class. Pulling out the race card or an equivalent also makes me mad.

462 posted on 04/28/2008 2:22:36 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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