Posted on 04/21/2008 6:19:21 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
The real problem is the deception on the part of the mothers.
“I’ve stopped bothering, and will let the state’s own “star witness” do my talking. “
Thanks for that post. I also agree completely with the state’s star witness. Too bad this little tyrant of a judge wasn’t wise enough to heed his advice. Every state has some child “protectors” who are so rabid they have no clue when their actually harming children.
I agree with you that it is condemned... but even this week I heard a Utah Representative arguing that all of this polygamy wasn’t that big of a deal! At times I think that the fabric of Mormon life is so convoluted that they have to give lip service to denouncing this or that that their church or prophet has done in the past, while they extoll their church’s wonders. It reminds me of Romney trying to underplay his family’s polygamist past. It just rang hollow when he tried.
“I just think the notion several had last night that few if any of the kids knew who their parents were was just assuming the worst with no real basis for it.”
When the truth is kept from people, they usually suspect the worst.
The members of the FLDS (well, most of them anyway) are trying to hide the truth.
The LE and CPS are trying to find out the truth.
We will see who wins.
The Book of Mormon (in no uncertain terms) prohibits and condemns polygamy. The LDS Church wishes that it could live under Doctrine and Covenants section 132 without the constraints of the US Government.
Either that, or they wish their prophet would just come out and issue a new revelation completely removing that section from their scriptures.
Frankly I think the LDS Heriarchy would like nothing more than to remove section 132 from their scriptures, but since God hasn't really spoken to an LDS Prophet since Joseph Smith, they might have a problem there. So they are left with a "Manifesto"; A "general consensus" that whatever they it is that they preach now, despite the fact that it is in direct contradiction to Doctrine and Covenants section 132, is the direction that God wants them to go.... until further notice.
“It’s like they suddenly dropped off the face of the internet.”
Who can blame them?
“It’s going to be tough solving this puzzle with maybe 1/2 of the pieces missing or in various complexes throughout the country. “
Yes. That is a very good point.
Too bad some demand instant proof, instant arrests, or just let the children go.
Large scale processes such as this, take time, and must be done very carefully to ensure the law is followed, and no one’s rights are violated.
It is like walking a tightrope, for the LE, CPS, and JUDGE.
Especially with all the apparent misunderstanding the general public has about the facts in the case.
I think the age of consent for marriage with parents approval is 16.
“When the truth is kept from people, they usually suspect the worst.”
You often leap to the next emotional level when responding. Your response had little to do with my comments, but were just an opportunity for you to expound on your opinions if anyone doesn’t agree with you 1000%.
“When the truth is kept from people, they usually suspect the worst.”
You often leap to the next emotional level when responding. Your response had little to do with my comments, but were just an opportunity for you to expound on your opinions if anyone doesn’t agree with you 1000%.
Of course, that is not at the FLDS ranch. That was within the Texas Foster Care system in 2004.
"In 2004, noted Strayhorn, 38 foster children were killed; 48 were killed the following year. In addition, "about 100 children received treatment for poisoning from medications; 63 foster children received medical treatment for rape that occurred while in the foster care system; and 142 children gave birth while in the state foster care system."
That kind of thing doesn’t work for me, when we bust a cult that practices child rape as part of their sick, twisted, illegal, religious reason for existence, and someone says, Hey man! it is even worse to pull those kids out, we better just let the practice live on and avert our eyes.
Well, like I said that doesn’t carry much weight with me, I’m only surprised that sane people try to sell that kind of nonsense.
I agree with you.
I think we’ve got some cowardly ninny’s that are so scared of the government’s shadow that they would rather see little girls put back into abusive situations than to have the government intervene.
But there were 32,000 kids in foster care. So even assuming the above are mutually exclusive sets, that's 200/32000 = 0.6% odds in foster care.
Now let's look at the FLDS. We know at least 6 kids had underage pregnancy out of 400. But that sounds like the tip of the iceberg. But even at that, that's 1.5%.
With our limited knowledge, a kid is at least 2.5 times more likely to be raped or give birth in FLDS than in foster care.
Plus one initial report I saw last weekend was identification of 10 women who had given birth as minors.
Well it was only 45 years ago that 40% of Mormons would say they would enter into polygamy if told to by their "prophet." You still have that lingering "if the 'prophet' says so, we'll do it."
Your response had nothing to do with my comments,
The children were to be given a cheek swab, then photographed and fingerprinted. They have each been assigned a number to identify them and the sample they gave.
First thing that came to mind...
Fortunately, the FLDS don't have to worry about getting executed and cremated like the Branch Davidians and the Nazi victims.
The MDS sufferers are out in force!
“Fortunately, the FLDS don’t have to worry about getting executed and cremated “
Then why did they have a crematorium built, when they purchased the large estate they are all living on?
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