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I don't think the speed limit is just. Do I get to violate it at will if I call it "civil disobedience"?

The whole point about civil disobedience is that you are intentionally breaking the law. If you are not breaking any laws, then that is a demonstration.

Civil disobedience has been used to end slavery and prohibition. Martin Luther King and Ghandi also used it with great success. I would argue civil disobedience is more effective because the people engaging in it have more to lose than a demonstrator, who is not risking anything. I doubt the lawmakers who are trying to screw us care about demonstrations, but they do fear uprisings, especially those with torches and pitchforks.

I fear we have little control over our government now. They have grown so big and distributed authority so broadly that nothing short of a crisis will ever get them to change course.

My question for you is, if the Supreme Court decides that the 2nd Amendment does not give us an individual right to own a gun and the Feds outlaw guns, will you comply?

[chrisser]

The whole point about civil disobedience is that you are intentionally breaking the law. If you are not breaking any laws, then that is a demonstration.

So when was the attempt at a large-scale demonstration that didn't involve law-breaking? That is exactly my point - they skip over all the legitimate forms of addressing bad law within the system and go directly to "civil disobedience". Further, in the case of pot, the fact that they can't seem to get together without toking furthers the governments case that it is an addictive substance that requires regulation at minimum.

My question for you is, if the Supreme Court decides that the 2nd Amendment does not give us an individual right to own a gun and the Feds outlaw guns, will you comply?

You really think smoking weed rises to the same level as an inalienable right considered so important it was included in BOR? But to answer your question, no, I wouldn't.

So if the feds got out of the WOD and it was strictly illegal at the state level, would that be OK with you and lawbreaking would then be lawbreaking and not "civil disobedience"?

"I fear we have little control over our government now. They have grown so big and distributed authority so broadly that nothing short of a crisis will ever get them to change course"

That may be true, but good luck if you expect this popular uprising to be based a bunch of potheads smoking weed in public, especially if nobody even gets arrested. Hardly the shot heard round the world.