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To: archy
WOWser...having buried pickup much less deep I could only imagine the chain/cable/winch strength needed to pull that guy out, although tracks are aggressive...

my main concern was recoil/crew endangerment from the big gun in such a situation, but true to form, GI tankers are resourceful and will overcome...

I guess in a sick scenario, cept for the mobility, that is the ultimate in 'hull down' position ???

129 posted on 04/23/2008 9:58:43 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Choose Liberty over slavery... the gulag awaits ANY compromise with evil...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: Gilbo_3
WOWser...having buried pickup much less deep I could only imagine the chain/cable/winch strength needed to pull that guy out, although tracks are aggressive...

A towbar is preferred to cables, but cables are indeed carried for recovery ops. They're pretty hefty, around 1½-inch in diameter, about like these on the back of this Australian Leopard tank

The M88A2 Herky recovery vehicle, aka the *VTR,* has a turbine engine rated at a bit over 1000 HP, pretty close to what a late XX-Century railroad switch engine had for power, Herk details here: M88A2 Hercules VTR

my main concern was recoil/crew endangerment from the big gun in such a situation, but true to form, GI tankers are resourceful and will overcome...

Muzzle blast is pretty sporty with the main gun tube just a foot or two off the ground. If inclined to do any shootin' while stuck like that, I think I'd tend to do it buttoned up.

I guess in a sick scenario, cept for the mobility, that is the ultimate in 'hull down' position ???

Naw, that's just *Hull Defilade.* Turret Defilade has the tank in the goo clear up to the gun mantlet, and then there is a good chance there's no turret rotation possible, or at least advisable. There's also the condition known as *Cupola Defilade* in which the mudplane is even with the turret roof. Those take a little longer to get out, and are generally the result of hitting a bog with an active spring underneath it, in which case waiting to figure out what to do resolves the problem, but results in lots of unpleasant paperwork.


131 posted on 04/23/2008 10:47:36 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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