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not so much fear of the debate here, but in Ireland I believe people are very cautious about what they say
1 posted on 04/20/2008 7:22:10 AM PDT by Murtyo
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To: Murtyo; Tax-chick

I was over in Dublin a couple of weeks ago.

Get to Ireland before the Irish are all gone!


2 posted on 04/20/2008 7:27:01 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Murtyo
The answer of course is that public representatives are terrified of being branded racists. Censorious attitudes have succeeded only in preventing public debate and burying what could well be a growing sense of public concern, if not foreboding.

They can keep a lid on it for the moment, but that will just mean the inevitable explosion will just be bigger

There will come a point where people stop caring about being called racist, where PC loses its power to censure. When that point comes, the fight will be on

3 posted on 04/20/2008 7:28:58 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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This reminds me of the attacks on Daniel Patrick Moynihan over his “crisis of the black family” paper in the 1960s, when the out-of-wedlock rate was 22%. He was shouted down as a racist, and the blacks never “forgave” him. Meanwhile the black out-of-wedlock rate is now 70%. He was right, like Enoch Powell was right. More proof that suppression of truth through political correctness can fatally wound a nation.


5 posted on 04/20/2008 7:51:29 AM PDT by montag813
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I’ve never understood just why western nations in general, and “Anglosphere” nations in particular, have accepted wave after wave, for going on four decades, of third world immigration, of such a scale as to be guaranteed to cause social dislocation and unrest due to lack of assimilation, as well as mounting economic difficulties. It’s not advantageous at all, and is actually irrational, to undermine those nations that are capable of providing aid to areas of the world in need. Introducing third world dysfunction, en masse, into societies that do function is a recipe for collapse.


6 posted on 04/20/2008 8:15:30 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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Its nearly four years since I left Ireland to live in the US, just about the time the Polish started coming in. From what I’ve heard, most people are very happy with the Polish immigrants over there, except for some who complain about construction wages being lowered given their comparable skills and willingness to work for less than their Irish counterparts. I’m not sure about how other groups are settling in, but the Ireland I visited last summer didn’t seem to have changed much, except that there were foreigners working as shop assistants and waitresses and fast food and labouring, areas that seemed to be perpetually short-staffed in the years before I left (and presumably some of the jobs that Mary Harney had been sending out SOS messages for immigrants to come and fill). You always hear the various anecdotes about the Nigerian scam artist or the Romanian beggar, but I doubt if these are in any way typical of what the average immigrant brings to the country. The health system has been in crisis in Ireland for as long as I can remember, so I think blaming immigrants for those problems is just a little disingenuous, except to the extent that they are putting a little extra stain on an already crumbling edifice.

All that said though, people should be free to have an honest public discussion about where the country wants to go in the future regarding this issue. I would suggest that inflammatory Powell-style speeches don’t really add much to the debate though.


8 posted on 04/20/2008 10:11:04 AM PDT by Youngblood
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