Iran says oil price too low at 115 dollars a barrel(Mahmoud Ahmadinejad proclaims)

AFP ^ | Farhad Pouladi

[DoughtyOne]

That’s my take as well. Thanks.

[DoughtyOne]

It was my understanding that the Alaska field would only supply about ten years worth of our needs. That’s my perception of the other places you mention as well.

Let’s say we can get another 100 years out of the oil on our coasts, I don’t think it’s a very efficient way to create power, when nuclear could provide most of it.

Oil just seems to be so yesterday’s power source. Perhaps I’m all wet, but that’s how I see it.

[AmericanVictory]

Well, there’s offshores undrilled and unpumped by traditional, over 100 year old means. And there are surface deposits not producible by conventional means that could fuel us as a nation for hundreds of more years and we leave two thirds approximately in the ground in the formation we drill and produce by conventional means and we can use oil far more efficiently and cleanly than we do now. We can elimninate NOX, CO, THC pollution from using gasoline completely and probably make the CO2/Oxygen output from your tailpipe equivalent to the mix in the atmosphere but, hey, its more important to subsidize farm boondoggles and talk about putting windmills in your car. Objectively we could call all the leadership we’ve seen on this so far helping the enemy and it would be accurate.

[truthguy]

I have been away for a while. When I logged on this morning, I found your comment and I thought it deserved a reply. I though I would take up your issues one by one from the beginning of my post.
I did not say everyone is saving gas. What I said was that everyone I know is saving as much as they can. There are many more people around who I do not know than who I know. Go back and read what I posted and not what you think I posted. I also stated that most people who I know no longer drive around unnecessarily. This is true in my circle of family and friends.
You did not address the issue of population growth and how we save gasoline in wake of population growth. This is probably the most important point of my post. More people will consume more gasoline even if we become super efficient. This takes us over into the area of population growth and immigration and I do not feel like addressing this issue at this time. I am too tired today to jump into that issue. Maybe later.
I know people who did not buy a fuel efficient vehicle the last time they bought and they are hurting. I do not think most would be that foolish again. I hope not.

In terms of having a job, here is where I am coming from. First read carefully how I used the word OR. You do not have a job OR you can use mass transit. I did not use the word AND. In this light my niece is always talking (bragging) about not using hardly any gas and how she gets around on a bicycle. Sure, she is a college sophomore and lives in an apartment walking distance from campus. It is easy for her to be smug. However her mother (my sister) has a good 14 mile commute to her job. How is my sister and her husband supposed to get to work? They are the ones paying for my nieces lifestyle where she does not have to have a car. Wait till she gets into the real world.
Most of us cannot take mass transit. If I could take mass transit I would. I work odd hours and many times in the course of a day I have to visit clients and work sites. Just how am I supposed to get there without using gas?
I think it is great you drive a fuel efficient car and try to save. BFD! I do the exact same thing! I drive a car that gets over 30 miles/gal on highway. I do all the same things you do. Are we supposed to be exempt from the $10 (or whatever level) tax because we are not selfish? Those who are just getting by would be crushed by the said tax if you had your way. Get real man!
All of your other examples are anecdotal. People driving 15-20 miles over speed limit risk getting an expensive speeding ticket. I do not see many hot-rod old ladies burning rubber off the line at a traffic light with a big car. You must really live in an interesting area. Finally (I am getting tired) grow a little THICKER SKIN. My comments were in no way offensive. I did not hurl any insults of any type. I am a little sarcastic but not insulting. I reread my original reply to your first post and for the life of me cannot find any insults. Besides sites like these are for people to vent and share their opinions. Grow a thicker skin and read a little more carefully and you will probably be okay.

[DoughtyOne]

LOL, that was a good point. Isn’t that the sad truth these days.

[Sgt_Schultze]

The Green River formation under Colorado, Utah and Wyoming has over 4 times the amount of recoverable oil as Saudi Arabia. The North Dakota may be twice the size of Saudi Arabia's.

If you have time, watch this video about the quantity of oil and gas available in Alaska. Oil may well be yesterday's energy source, but it's also tomorrow's. There's really no sensible reason the jettison something that our entire economy is built around. The shortage is manufactured and our reliance on our enemies for energy is policy of the far left in our government.

[Gilbo_3]

Let’s say we can get another 100 years out of the oil on our coasts, I don’t think it’s a very efficient way to create power, when nuclear could provide most of it.

Oil just seems to be so yesterday’s power source

the way I see it, the oil infrastructure and tech is already in place, today what is needed is simply more utilization of todays tech and supplies...

Market driven innovation will realize and adapt/expand as the need arises...I doubt that we're anywherer near peak oil, but even if we are theres still years worth in the ground of known resources and more being found all the time...

today the need for radical, overnight alternatives is a greenie manufactured illusion, which is crippling our economy at every level...

take that outta the equation and we would be energy independent...

LFOD...

[DoughtyOne]

This is either a well kept secret or I haven’t been paying attention. If we’re talking about this much oil without considering off-shore deposits or even Alaska, that’s great.

It had been my take that we were fifty to seventy-five years from severe draw-down in supplies. For that reason it seemed like a good idea to move away now since we’re already hitting some rough spots politically on the international front.

Now, I know that some people attribute political shenanigans to the oil situation, bringing it in from the Middle-East, but that actually might be a wise thing to do. If the U.S. saves it’s reserves, when the ME runs out, we’re sitting pretty.

I would be happy to alter my suggestions in light of this, but I would like to support nuclear for most non-transportation purposes, water desalination and possibly still some hydrogen, although the hydrogen might not work out to be as viable.

Thanks for the comments. I’ll check out the links.

[DoughtyOne]

One person here claimed we have huge reserves under Colorado and and another state. If that’s true I would back off a bit on this. My goal isn’t “green” oriented, but more getting off the damn Middle-East connection. I’m tired of being exposed to their whims.

[LibWhacker]

We discover it, we find a use for it, we dig it out of the ground, we build the refineries to process it, but the ragheads profit enormously (and cause all kinds of problems). Screw that. Take their gas, give them nothing. They’d still be carrying their treasuries around on the backs of camels if it weren’t for us, the primitive, backward-ass nomadic bastards!

[Gilbo_3]

It had been my take that we were fifty to seventy-five years from severe draw-down in supplies.

My goal isn’t “green” oriented, but more getting off the damn Middle-East connection.

My goal is mostly lazy selfishness lolol...

Im a mechanic by trade, which is to say that I have an investment in knowledge and training and Tools that are being forced into perpetual upgrading and obsolecence [?]...I fully expected and welcomed alot of the evolution in auto tech from the 70s-90s...it was mindboggling rapid...but now it isnt the fair market driving alternatives [to the tune of unheard of 'future' exponential growth], its a bunch of crystal ball worshipping nannies that are catering to a few nutjobs in the name of political-whoreness...

Imagine Washington mandating tomarrow that every system used in your home [HVAC, electric,water,plumbing,garbage removal,lawncare etc] MUST be thrown away and replaced with tech that isnt even developed yet...and dont worry, by the time youve upgraded [at your own unknown future cost], the delivery system [fuels, undeveloped techs etc]will magically be in place as well...BUT nothing of what youve ever 'done for yerself' will now apply!!!

Even IF we were 50-75 years to 'no oil'...the fact remains that in the last 50-75 years weve developed more technologically speaking than in all the previous centuries combined...surely as the 'real' market sees the need, innovation will supply the demand.

what we presently have is an artificial devaluation of my trade...

not to mention the fact that most of the equipment used around the house for everything else is also gas operated, and I wouldnt know where to begin plowing the garden with a rented mule, and dont have the hours in the day to fell and saw trees by hand etc... 8^{...

Seriesly though, the most real and dangerous aspect of this whole charade is the empowering of our enemies to control a portion of our ability to sustain our way of life and operate as the beacon of freedom in the world...in the material as well as the spiritual, imho, this is an endless struggle of good vs evil...

my personal and economical biases aside, we will suffer until He is ready for a 'change' in our country, maybe a few greenie weenies will hafta be sacrificed on the evil alter. also maybe a lot of patriots who would protect their right to bitch and moan...

LFOD...

[DoughtyOne]

When they changed the smog test settings years back in Calfornia, the folks who wanted to be approved by the state, had to purchase a very expensive machine to do it with. Instantly, thousands of service stations had to lay out a large sum of money to comply or have their business interests damaged.

You’re probably referencing this and other dyno type machines that read operation performance and also access the computer.

It’s almost impossible to do your own work these days. Heck, even access is blocked every way possible.

Then you need to reset the computer, clear messages and other things... it’s really gotten complicated, and I’m sure you do have problems.

I can understand where you’re coming from. And I agree that we do not want to let the greenies gain more control or play into their hands.

These are areas of concern and I agree with you.