Naval officer chooses discharge rather than go to Iraq (Watada case mentioned)

Seattle PI ^ | April 18, 2008 | Mike Barber

[Polybius]

Your primary loyalty as an officer is not to the "Army" or the "Navy" or the "Air Force" or the "Marines". It is to the United States of America.

Well said and so very true. In previous wars I believe she would have had free room and board at Leavenworth for this stunt.

Many moons ago, while stationed at U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo, Cuba, I needed to med-evac a sailor that had gotten a metallic sliver embedded in his eyeball to the opthalmologic surgeons back in the U.S. I contact the Medical Service Corps Lieutenant j.g. on duty that day to arrange a med-evac flight.

I was informed that the sailor would leave GTMO the next day because it would take the Air Force that long to arrange to have a Nightingale fly to GTMO from some Air Force base somewhere near the Canadian border. A "Nightingale" was a friggin' DC-9.

Why, I asked, was he requesting an Air Force Nightingale to fly from the northern U.S. to Cuba to med-evac a single sailor when we had small aircraft at GTMO that could fly to Miami that same day.

"To save money", was his reply.

He explained that, if he requested an Air Force Nightingale, the money would come out of the Air Force budget but, if we sent our own small aircraft, the money would come out of GTMO's budget.

I replied that the money was not "Air Force" money or "Navy" money or "our" money. That money was "U.S. taxpayer" money and that he had a choice of either using our GTMO aircraft or having the issue of the boondoggle forwarded up the Chain of Command to get their written opinion on the matter after the fact.

The sailor flew to Miami on our aircraft that same day.

[jazusamo]

It’s good you pushed the issue, that sailor could have lost the eye.

An opthalmologist informed me years ago an eye can be lost within 24 hours with some types of metal that are lodged in the eye, copper being one I believe, when I had a fleck of chrome lodge in mine.

Your example is one that shows how some in the military don’t look at the overall picture.

[BGHater]

‘It is to the United States of America.’

Try again.

There is no Oath to the USA. it is to the Constitution. If it was for the USA we would be subjective to the whims of the US policy either for the good or bad and ever changing.

Your Oath and allegiance, which I believe you have taken, is to the Constitution. Which requires you to support and defend it, not the USA.

Btw, I'm not defending her at all for missing movement, just laying out what I believe is most important.

If we had alot more people supporting the Constitution we wouldn’t have as many problems in this world.

[A.A. Cunningham]

The problem, is the Navy does not properly utilize its soldiers,

The Navy doesn't have any soldiers. Plenty of sailors but no soldiers.

[BGHater]

Correct. My Army speak didn’t translate properly.

[Col Freeper]

[You know, you don’t join the military if your goal in life is to have an opinion.]

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LOL, too true.

If the military wanted you to have an opinion, they’d issue you one!

[Polybius]

‘It is to the United States of America.’

Try again. There is no Oath to the USA. it is to the Constitution.

It is to simply "to the Constitution", is it?

Really? "The Constitution", of what?

The Constitution of the Republic of Argentina?

The Constitution of the European Union?

The Constitution of the Iroquois Nations?

The Constitution of the State of Indiana?

The Constitution of the Benevolent Protective Order of Elks?

We can both play these silly word games.

You can't be loyal to the United States of America without loyalty to the Constitution of the United States of America.

[BGHater]

‘You can’t be loyal to the United States of America without loyalty to the Constitution of the United States of America.’

Of course you can. It should happen all the time.

[Polybius]

‘You can’t be loyal to the United States of America without loyalty to the Constitution of the United States of America.’

Of course you can. It should happen all the time.

If, by your definition of "loyal to the United States of America", a U.S. citizen can be both loyal to the United States of America and disloyal to the Constitution of the United States of America, then your definition of "the United States of America" has a geographical basis instead of a Constitutional basis.

[BGHater]

You can be loyal to the Const. which would be against the Gov’t in many terms.

Take Katrina, Military enters houses and takes weapons from Constitutionally protected Citizens. That is disloyal. That is against their Oath but following policy. Black and White.

See the problem? The Citizen is correct not the Gov't.

[ktime]

Refusal to report during a time of war is treason plain and simple.

[Polybius]

You can be loyal to the Const. which would be against the Gov’t in many terms. Take Katrina, Military enters houses and takes weapons from Constitutionally protected Citizens. That is disloyal. That is against their Oath but following policy. Black and White. See the problem? The Citizen is correct not the Gov't.

I did not say "loyal to the Government". I said "loyal to the United States of America". A "Government" acting unlawfully is outside the Constitution and is not synonymous with "the United States of America".

[BGHater]

Lol.

Outside the bounds of the Constitution? Hello FDR, JFK. The past 100 plus years. Enjoy the welfare, not enforcing the borders, etc. Wow.

Not following the Const. has been the problem of the Republic.

[Polybius]

Lol. Outside the bounds of the Constitution? Hello FDR, JFK. The past 100 plus years. Enjoy the welfare, not enforcing the borders, etc. Wow. Not following the Const. has been the problem of the Republic.

So, you equate "being loyal to FDR" or "being loyal to JFK" as being "loyal to the Constituion" or "being loyal to the United States of America"?

The loyalty to a politician or that politician's policies and "loyalty to the United States" and "loyalty to the Constitution of the United States" not the same thing.

The Republic has a "problem"?

Of course it does. The Republic is populated by mere mortals and is therefore guaranteed to have problems.

[redstateconfidential]

jude24 wrote:
Yikes. You never, ever ever disobey an order. Not even the ones you think are stupid.

She got off light with a discharge. She’s lucky she didn’t get sent to Leavenworth.”-

Busting some rocks might not have helped her attitude, but I would feel better about her insipid , shallower than the surface tension of water ,treasonous, 2nd rate leftist mole, free education, treason!

[xzins]

The article tries to demonstrate how solid an officer she was by quoting her officer efficiency report. In part it said, “...Assign only to the most challenging jobs!”
...”

That particular rater was blind.

She was given a “challenging job,” being an augmentee, and she folded before she ever started.

Of course the military can assign you to ANYTHING. It’s a lot like an Army cook saying, “You can’t force me to fire a rifle; I’m a cook.”

“Doofus...fire that rifle or die when you’re overrun by the enemy.”

She might not have noticed, but the military is not the United Auto Workers Union.

[Red Steel]

Sounds to me like she just wanted a cushion job with no possibility of any danger what so ever, so then, why join the military, stay home and get married and have kids.

She's a Moonbat. It appears she used the assignment to Iraq as an excuse because she doesn't like the Iraqi war. Below are snippets from her blog:

Greetings from Dallas, TX! I am currently at the Veterans for Peace 2005 Convention, and what a time I have having!

I had the distinct honor of seeing off Cindy Sheehan, Gold Star Mother, as she headed off to Crawford to ask George Bush why her son is dead. She is going back tomorrow, and will stay there until she gets an answer, and the truth.

"Camp Casey Attacked by Cowardly Fanatic

A Bush Loyalist attacked the Cindy Sheehan camp, running over the memorial to the fallen in his truck (dragging a chain), knocking down and destroying 500 crosses.... "