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To: RepublitarianRoger2
I’m sure Tancredo will get a ton of flak for this, but he’s right.

Pope Benedict XVI said, "everything possible to fight ... all forms of violence so that immigrants may lead dignified lives."

So you -- and Tancredo -- don't think that immigrants should be protected from violence and allowed to live "dignified lives"? If you don't, you are both wrong.

25 posted on 04/18/2008 7:15:57 PM PDT by vox_freedom (John 16:2 yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God)
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To: vox_freedom
So you -- and Tancredo -- don't think that immigrants should be protected from violence and allowed to live "dignified lives"? If you don't, you are both wrong.

For ILLEGAL immigrants, that protection is best achieved by discouraging them from breaking those laws that make them easy targets of coyotes and cheap-labor scofflaws.
30 posted on 04/18/2008 7:22:44 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: vox_freedom

Of course I object to real violence. That’s a given.

You are clearly missing the main points of Tancredo’s objection to the Pope’s comments.

To start, let us consider the second part of the Pope’s statement, rather than focusing on the first: “so that immigrants may lead dignified lives.” The Pope knows that illegal immigration is a hot button issue in the US. But he did not delineate between legal and illegal immigration in his comments.

Now on to the first part: “all forms of violence.” The inference can be made that, in the Pope’s view, any action such as denial of benefits, prosecution, or deportation, amounts to a form of violence. I think that it could very easily be interpreted in this way [see below for more evidence as to why], and I believe that this is the way Tancredo interpreted it.

So now, the statement in its entirety: “The US must do everything possible to fight all forms of violence so that immigrants may lead dignified lives.” Notice that this protection from violence extends only to immigrants. The Pope did not say that the US must do everything in its power to protect ALL of its CITIZENS from violence. Nope, just the immigrants.

Why did the Pope state it in this manner? Because he was directly addressing the United States’ immigration policy, that’s why. And because the Pope has been repeatedly pushing the issue during meetings with Bush since he took residence in the Vatican. Other Bishops below him also have been pushing the issue. They all want a more OPEN immigration policy.

Tancredo knows that that was the true thrust of the Pope’s statement — and that it was NOT just an innocent, innocuous general plea for people to be able to lead “dignified lives” without “violence” — and therefore he called the Pope on it.

Also, the phrase “dignified lives” itself is not further defined — and Tom Tancredo knows that for the Pope, one contingency of an immigrants’ living a “dignified life” — whether that immigrant is here illegally or not — is to be allowed to continue to live that life in the US. Otherwise the “violence” is present and the “dignity” is lost.

Tancredo knew the history of the Pope’s meetings with Bush and of His Holiness’s push for a more open border policy, and Tom called him on it. Good for him, I say.


48 posted on 04/18/2008 7:46:54 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: vox_freedom
So you -- and Tancredo -- don't think that immigrants should be protected from violence and allowed to live "dignified lives"?

Of course- IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY- or here, if they enter LEGALLY.

64 posted on 04/18/2008 8:09:59 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, weÂ’re still retarded.)
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