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To: Abathar
I wonder, if this turns out to be a hoax will all the evidence they found be inadmissible?

The question is not whether the information was accurate but whether their was a reasonable basis for the finding of probable cause for the search. If it was reasonable for the magistrate to find probable cause based on the information given to him, even if the information later turns out to be incorrect, the search would be legal and evidence of criminal activity discovered in the search would be admissible.

24 posted on 04/18/2008 9:22:11 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

Thanks - I am biased on this story, I am looking at a picture of my 13 year old daughter on my desk who is quite mature for her age.

I am also mentally picturing the gun in my desk pointed at the heart of some 50 year old man who would sexually lust after her like these men do and would be stupid enough to act on that lust.


28 posted on 04/18/2008 9:28:08 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Prokopton
Prokopton said: "the search would be legal and evidence of criminal activity discovered in the search would be admissible. "

Though true, any further investigation requires renewed probable cause if the initial probable cause is found deficient. If the CPS hasn't established probable cause to take DNA samples from all the adults, then the game is practically up.

64 posted on 04/18/2008 10:37:59 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: Prokopton

I don’t do criminal law, so if you know something about this, I’d be interested to hear it.

A few days ago, the lawyer for the man named in the warrant, Dale Barlow, said that, before the warrant was executed, Texas authorities had investigated, had spoken with numerous witnesses and Arizona authorities, and already knew that Barlow had never been in Texas. If that is true, wouldn’t it eliminate any “good faith” argument?


68 posted on 04/18/2008 10:49:50 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: Prokopton
Unless things have changed a lot I think that:

" If it was reasonable for the magistrate to find probable cause based on the information given to him, even if the information later turns out to be incorrect, the search would be legal..."

is the best I've seen on FR.

As many have stated - I don't support child abuse, but I don't support persecution either.

Remember that the feds drove tanks through a cult compound in Waco based on precisely the same allegations. In that case they could have simply pulled over the leader, outside he compound, and left his followers alive!

What they faced here appears more of a (wealthy & sophisticated) communal settlement than what we think of when polygamy comes to mind. Not an excuse, but makes me wonder it they'd have been safe with a peace sign hung over the front door.

Without recourse to tinfoil I'd posit that some pretext was needed, 'the call' came from some official or semiofficial agency to provide that pretext, and the loon in Oklahoma is someone dug up to provide cover when 'Sarah' does not surface.
(Which in turn implies other crimes.)

Should the cult be prosecuted? It probably does not matter because they WILL be prosecuted. What comes from those prosecutions is another matter that will be far enough in the future to obscure the constitutional and ethical questions of the raid.

One thing I'll virtually guarantee is that, had the compound featured a mosque and occasional stonings of women and girls for not obeying any male in sight, honor killings, or (Oopsie) underage marriage, there would never have been a raid for us to discuss.

80 posted on 04/18/2008 11:39:58 AM PDT by norton
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