Posted on 04/17/2008 10:12:04 PM PDT by Howdy there
Note the words may have that is not proof that is a clinton type of statement.
As far as I know, there were only two calls from the supposed 16 year old girl. If there is another, I’ve not heard of it. You may be refering to a possible call from the woman in Colorado.
If the rap sheet were the criterea for the warrant, then okay. If the calls were the impetus, it could get dicey.
I would think it rather strange to see the rap sheet used out of the blue. I’m thinking the calls were the deciding factor, and used for the request of a warrant. (Obviously speculation)
So, you are telling me you haven't already decided?
You: Those MEN of the FLDS owe these women quite a huge settlement, and they should go to jail.
No, not hard at all. You go to the phone company and pull the shelter’s phone records.
“What I want to know is why the authorities in Texas didn’t figure out where the calls originated before they rushed in to the compund and clamped everything down.”
Oh, they did.
It’s just that the MEDIA is dribbling out these details to us, to keep us thirsty for their next issue.
Same tactic used by the EDITOR of the PAPER in the movie LEATHERHEADS.
“we’ll build him up, and up, and up, then we will slam him down.”
The media is TEASING us (the nation) by selective release of information.
The article of this thread is supposed to get us to ‘get mad’ at the government (CPS/TEXAS) for invading a CHURCH based on a false call.
But, there are a lot of important details being left out on that particular matter.
Just like the existence of this one ‘false’ call.
Now, as to whether the other two calls were false.... we’ll be back after this commercial break.
: )
“The law does not get to break down doors and tear away children from families on the basis of whether the family is believable or not. “
True. But, that’s not what happened there, at the FLDS compound.
“and the accused never lived at the compound.”
The accused, Dale Barlow, had not lived at the compound for several years.
Google: BARLOW FLDS
See what happens.
Here’s another, albeit dated, relevant contribution.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy64.html
“Apparently, they have an on-site crematorium.”
Yeah. Now. Their old location didn’t have one.
Lots of unmarked graves around that place.
Maybe that’s why they moved to Texas.
“Can you source the part above? “
No. I can not. Sorry.
The details of that part of my post, may not be exactly correct.
I’d say, give it another day, and the media will make this part of the story public.
If I’m wrong, I invite everyone to beat me over the head with it.
We will see. We will see.
You are giving me evidence AFTER the fact. It is the evidence used to obtain the warrant for the search and seizure that I question. Warrants are supposed to be issued wrt proof of illegality BEFORE the fact, before the law has the right to invade private property. Even so, lets look at the evidence which has convinced you:
From the article:
Child welfare investigator Angie Voss testified that at least five girls who are younger than 18 are pregnant or have children. Voss said some of the women identified as adults with children may be juveniles, or may have had children when they were younger than 18. A child welfare worker said some women at the sect's ranch may have had children when they were minors, some as young as 13.
Assuming half of the children are below child bearing years, and further assuming half of the children of 'child bearing years' to be boys, that leads to:
[(416/2)/2]= 104 under age females of child bearing years.
Of those 104 (or so) five are actually pregnant or have children. the rest of the accusation is maybe and might have been.
Five of one hundred and four pregnant teens is well below the national average, and that does not necessarily even approach the possibility of statutory rape, as those few may or may not have been impregnated by a man above the age of accountability (assumed 18 yrs). One must also eliminate cases of legitimate consent, with a consent age assumed to be 16 yrs old.
So, on the basis of this scant evidence that is before us, for the sake of five cases of possible abuse, you would sanction the seizure of 416, that is four hundred and sixteen children from their multiple families, many of whom, obviously, have no evidence against them?
I will stand by. It looks plausible, but it is still not proven, so I don’t have to pay up yet.
;)
“Maybe we should go to the local Indian reservation, too. The girls there are often pregnant at thirteen.”
The ‘govamint’ has been after them for over 100 years.
There was an investigation in 1952 that the ‘public’ and ‘churches’ put an end to, after the MEDIA told them to.
So, it’s definitely going to be an uphill battle, no matter WHO the government goes after.
“so it can be proved not all the young girls married old men”
Depends on your viewpoint.
If you are a 13 or 14 year old girl, totally isolated from the outside world, (no TV, no Radio, no Internet),and some 19 year old cousin of ‘the Prophet’, who is also your cousin, and your stepbrother, has a unibrow and hunched back, comes at you saying, “Lay down for God”.... the term ‘old men’ seems to be just the easiest and least offensive way to say it.
Shudder, shudder.
“but I don’t think that this is the way to go about the investigation.”
I think that investigation is going properly, and it’s just the media that is manipulating the ‘news’ for best sales effect. Every thing the TEXAS CPS and STATE does in this case is being done under a high-powered spotlight.
That they would be so sloppy, after working on this for four years, is very difficult to believe.
Would the media intentionally MISLEAD us? We all know that answer.
“So, you are telling me you haven’t already decided?”
I refer to the first five words of that sentence.
Then so be it, but that was not my point. It is the nature of the evidence used to obtain the warrant in the first place which seems to be untenable.
BUMP!
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