[cookcounty]

"Science doesn't deal in proof it deals in evidence and the evidence of the power of selective pressure to mold and shape a species has been observed throughout human history. A beagle a dachshund and a wolfhound were all once a wolf.

Beagles, dachshunds and wolfhounds are the direct obvious result of selective breeding by Intelligent Designers, a.k.a. "Dog Breeders."

You are arguing that these Intelligently Designed breeds demonstrate lack of intelligent design. That's an "F" in logic class.

[ketsu]

Beagles, dachshunds and wolfhounds are the direct obvious result of selective breeding by Intelligent Designers, a.k.a. "Dog Breeders."

You are arguing that these Intelligently Designed breeds demonstrate lack of intelligent design. That's an "F" in logic class.

You're getting in some awfully deep water there. Are you willing to argue that it's possible for selection pressure to change the genotype of a species enough that the species becomes reproductively isolated?

[allmendream]

Humans selected traits. They didn't CREATE or DESIGN the traits. They didn't even understand the molecular mechanism behind the traits they were selecting. Not very intelligent and not exactly designing either.

And I believe in COMPETENT design. The “designer” of Behe’s imagining is an incompetent who created a system for changing biological systems (selection of genetic variation) that is somehow incapable of any major biological change or innovation.

Good thing you have no qualification or grounds to grade me other than in your own insignificant opinion.