Posted on 04/17/2008 4:07:06 PM PDT by Aristotelian
I confess that when the producers of Ben Stein’s new documentary “Expelled” called, offering me a private screening, I was less than excited.
It is a reality of PC liberalism: There is only one credible side to an issue, and any dissent is not only rejected, it is scorned. Global warming. Gay “rights.” Abortion “rights.” On these and so many other issues there is enlightenment, and then there is the Idiotic Other Side. PC liberalism’s power centers are the news media, the entertainment industry and academia and all are in the clutches of an unmistakable hypocrisy: Theirs is an ideology that preaches the freedom of thought and expression at every opportunity, yet practices absolute intolerance toward dissension.
Evolution is another one of those one-sided debates. We know the concept of Intelligent Design is stifled in academic circles. An entire documentary to state the obvious? You can see my reluctance to view it.
I went into the screening bored. I came out of it stunned.
Ben Stein’s extraordinary presentation documents how the worlds of science and academia not only crush debate on the origins of life, but also crush the careers of professors who dare to question the Darwinian hypothesis of evolution and natural selection.
Stein asks a simple question: What if the universe began with an intelligent designer, a designer named God? He assembles a stable of academics – experts all -- who dared to question Darwinist assumptions and found themselves “expelled” from intellectual discourse as a result. They include evolutionary biologist Richard Sternberg (sandbagged at the Smithsonian), biology professor Caroline Crocker (drummed out of George Mason University), and astrophysicist Guillermo Gonzalez (blackballed at Iowa State University).
That’s disturbing enough, but what Stein does next is truly shocking. He allows the principal advocates of Darwinism to speak their minds.
(Excerpt) Read more at mrc.org ...
Proof? We do not deal in proof, but with evidence.
The evidence of the fossil record provides literally metric tons of evidence that the animals that inhabit the earth now did not always inhabit the earth, and that most species we find in the fossil record have not ever lived contemporaneously with mankind. All of this supports the notion of evolution and your only quibble that is actually supported by evidence is that is is not ‘gradual’ or ‘transitional’ enough to suite you.
You have yet to provide a cogent narrative that would explain any of this data or answered any of my rather DIRECT and SIMPLE questions.
I can only conclude that you are embarrassed by what you truly believe.
I was eagerly awaiting your details on how the genetic record is a blow to evolutionary biology. I could have used a good laugh.
Once again the criteria is not mine and it is not yours, it was Darwin’s, that the evidence is “gradual and transitionalâ€. I suggest you read his book so that you may understand his hypothesis. If you believe that the fossil record explains where the creatures come from, this would be world class breaking news. I really don’t know how you expect answers to questions that you ask when no one has been able to answer them based on the fossil record. Further more , your use of capital letters and insults do not enhance your position. Perhaps you are attempting to be entertained rather than use your brain. I leave you to your flaming capital letters and hope you do not burn yourself
I do believe the fossil record explains where creatures come from, they come from a common ancestor, as supported by genomic data and the fossils of their immediate antecedents.
I do not expect you to answer questions that nobody has been able to answer. There are many people who work on the subject and none of them seem to throw up their hands and go “ain't no telling’ one way or another”; they all seem to think the evidence points one way or the other.
You seem to claim total agnosticism other than that you simply know on faith and without evidence that Darwin was wrong and that austrolopithocine wasn't bipedal (when it most certainly was).
I should organize a movie event with other conservative parents and our same grade/age teenagers.
Just thinking...
So read the Journal of High-Energy Physics.
Just thinking...
Seriously, the fact that you dive out of this argument at this point should indicate to you the absurdity of pursuing the "if son-and-so existed, then who created it?" argument and claiming that it therefore nullifies the Darwinian argument. There are plenty of other arguments you can choose, but "if son-and-so existed, then who created it?" is reductio ad absurdum.
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These arguments always tickle me...”scientists” can’t even agree what “science” or the “scientific method”, or...well you pretty much name it; “IS”.
Two scientists with degrees from the same school can disagree about a topic, a theory, and go about their lives “proving” or “disproving” one another or something or the other and no concensus is reached anyway amongst their own peers!
“Science” is all too often whatever someone or some group wants to define it as, in the moment, to suit their ends.
One week red meat or red wine is bad, then it’s good, then it’s bad...
so stay tuned on the so called scientific method...chances are it’ll change in oh about....3 minutes! ;)
I`ve noticed you enjoy the word notice.Also noticed when an opponent begins to flounder they will attempt to grab any lifeline possible to save themselves, spellcheck being the first refuge of an intellectual scoundrel.It's not spellcheck as much as the blatant malapropism. But I don't expect you to know that.I`m willing to embarrass you once more and explain why the first protein could not invent itself but I`ll let your own idiosyncratic thoughts do the work and continue to move forward to disassemble your OoS theory you cling to like an AGW scientist clings to a tree.
ME: “The line from Bozell`s column: “One theorizes that life began somehow on the backs of crystals. Another states electric sparks from a lightning storm created organic matter (out of nothing). Another declares that life was brought to Earth by aliens” “
YOU: “So you agree that they were talking about amino acids not proteins? ...I don’t see any proteins in your quote, just “organic matter”. So you admit your were lying? “
LOL
Your drivelings are as usual,at once, both priceless and worthless.
Natural selection process being random trial and error, without direction, cannot be 100% neutral.Where are all the failed mutated fossils?
Still won't acknowledge the difference eh? I've made you dissemble enough. Game, Set, Match.
wow... didn’t know it would give you such a thrill. Hope you didn’t have to change your pants over it.Yawn... Your "advanced technical degree" didn't teach you to think very well did it. Luminiferous aether, snoogums, Luminiferous aether. Not that I expect you to note, understand or even be able to reason about the connection.it is amazing... you base all that arrogance on a lack of counterexample to a theory that has no demonstrable examples.
I have to thank you, however, for providing some insight into why atheists are so emotionally invested in evolution. It’s the only “counterexample” that you can try to point to to justify your unwillingness to believe in a Creator.
Thanks again - have a nice day. And clean up that spot on your pants.
ME: “The line from Bozell`s column: “One theorizes that life began somehow on the backs of crystals. Another states electric sparks from a lightning storm created organic matter (out of nothing). Another declares that life was brought to Earth by aliens” “
YOU: “So you agree that they were talking about amino acids not proteins? ...I don’t see any proteins in your quote, just “organic matter”. So you admit your were lying? “
LOL
Already traversed the territory of exposing your philistinism in regards to AAs / Protein.
Last time, Cassette mutagenesis experiments suggest that the probability of attaining (at random) the correct sequencing for a short protein 100 amino acids long is about 1 in 10 to the 65 power.
Natural selection process being random trial and error, without direction, cannot be 100% neutral.Where are all the failed mutated fossils?
Pricless indeed. A lightning bolt manufactured the first protein from nothing ! ?Whooops... If you're going to lie maybe it's a good idea to lie about things *that aren't on the first page of the thread*?Priceless.
Lies of omission are your specialty, reiterative irrelevancies your forte.
Yet once again,
Recent mutagenesis research has provided additional support for the conclusion that functional proteins are exceedingly rare among possible amino acid sequences. The probability of finding a functional protein among the possible amino acid sequences corresponding to a 150-residue protein is similarly 1 in 10 to the 77 power.(Axe 2004)
Of all the possible bonds of AA`s ,all have to form peptide bonds,the natural thing is for the reverse to take place(Sarfati, J.D., 1998. Origin of life: the polymerization problem).
MIT Calculated odds of finding a folded protein are about 1 in 10 to the 65 power .
Your doasge thorazine has obviously worn off long ago.
Natural selection process being random trial and error, without direction, cannot be 100% neutral.
Where are all the failed mutated fossils?
Lies of omission are your specialty, reiterative irrelevancies your forte.So you admit that the "organic compounds" mentioned are not proteins? Given the fact that your cut and paste keeps getting smaller it looks like you do. LOL. Remember, if you're going to lie, at least lie from an unquotable source.Yet once again,
Recent mutagenesis research has provided additional support for the conclusion that functional proteins are exceedingly rare among possible amino acid sequences. The probability of finding a functional protein among the possible amino acid sequences corresponding to a 150-residue protein is similarly 1 in 10 to the 77 power.(Axe 2004)
Of all the possible bonds of AA`s ,all have to form peptide bonds,the natural thing is for the reverse to take place(Sarfati, J.D., 1998. Origin of life: the polymerization problem).
MIT Calculated odds of finding a folded protein are about 1 in 10 to the 65 power .
Your doasge thorazine has obviously worn off long ago.
Natural selection process being random trial and error, without direction, cannot be 100% neutral.Brainfart or desperation? protein or not snoogums?Where are all the failed mutated fossils?
LOL Your shrink must have denied your refill on the thorazine since it has become painfully obvious you require a 101 in AAs and Protein.
LOL! HILARIOUS YOU`RE THAT STUPID !
But of course ignorance shields one from embarrassment as you persist in yours, without even a grasp of AA / Protein.
So it comes as no surprise as your trepidation to even attempt to answer the question:
Natural selection process being random trial and error, without direction, cannot be 100% neutral.
Where are all the failed mutated fossils?
Somewhere Ben Stein is laughing at you junior, as are the rest of us here at FR.
LOL Your shrink must have denied your refill on the thorazine since it has become painfully obvious you require a 101 in AAs and Protein.You learned how to spell "junior"! You deserve a cookie! But you still haven't figured out the difference between a protein and an amino acid. :) Feel free to keep humiliating yourself though.LOL! HILARIOUS YOU`RE THAT STUPID !
But of course ignorance shields one from embarrassment as you persist in yours, without even a grasp of AA / Protein.
So it comes as no surprise as your trepidation to even attempt to answer the question:
Natural selection process being random trial and error, without direction, cannot be 100% neutral. Where are all the failed mutated fossils?
Somewhere Ben Stein is laughing at you junior, as are the rest of us here at FR.
” But you still haven’t figured out the difference ...”
That`s what your thorazine was for sport, to block all those physcological projections of yours. Unfortunately you`re just another hopeless lunatic on par with an AGW “scientist”.
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