Posted on 04/17/2008 7:56:10 AM PDT by Uncledave
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Racial preferences are illegal. There is no obligation to obey the laws that violate the rights of Whites.
Interesting article, but I’m not so sure that racial quotas are always a bad thing. Take, for instance, law school admissions. I went to law school, and one of the things that has struck me ever since is how difficult it is to say what it is that makes for a successful lawyer, or a lawyer that serves the public interest. Can we really say that a student with a 3.3 gpa (in 17th century literature, for example, because law schools don’t care what you studied as an undergrad) is always more qualified than a student with a 3.0 gpa? When you have a population that is 15% Asian, don’t you think that a law school should be allowed to take that into consideration if it finds that its class only has 2% Asian? This is our justice system, after all. It is important that all people feel that it will be fair to them.
When you live in a city with a significant Hispanic population, you need a certain number of Hispanics involved in the courts, just like you need a certain number of Hispanic police. Law is not nuclear physics; it’s just not that complicated. Most anyone who can read at a 6th grade level can soon master what needs to be known in their area of practice. What matters most in making a good lawyer or a good judge are things that do not show up on LSAT scores or GPAs: kindness, a strong sense of fair plan, communication skills, and a determination that justice should be done.
I’m sick of filling in that little box on job apps and stuff.
Lately, I’ve been answering “decline to state” or “unknown”.
Entrance should go to the most qualified, regardless of criteria. Race and gender should not be part of the decision. Using objective standards like standardized tests and gpa provide measures that are more difficult to manipulate by both applicant and evaluator. I think that the application process should be blind for race and gender as much as possible.
Racial preferences in admissions, hiring, and contracting are inherently corrupt. They lead to less qualified workforces, higher costs for public services, racial separation, and an entitlement mentality.
Really? Why is that? Do you also need a certain number of Hispanic firefighters? How about a certain number of Hispanic-owned office supply firms? How about a certain number of Hispanic-owned municipal trash haulers?
So, in your opinion, such people should be selected on the basis of skin color alone?
There's nothing wrong with having multiple qualifications for entry to law school, etc. But there is no reason for one of them to be skin color -- a circumstance every bit as egregious as exclusion on the basis of skin color.
Racial preferences and quotas are flat un-American -- whether they favor the majority or the minority.
Uh...no you don't. If you continue with that logic and most of the Hispanics are illegal, should the lawyers be illegals too?
Put it this way. If you were a white person and had to go to court and there were only black lawyers and black judges, how comfortable would you feel about being treated fairly?
If I were a white person and absolutely no other white people had any interest in lawyering or any qualifications to judge, I'd pretty much have to trust myself to the people who do.
I would be better off doing that than trusting the services of unqualified representation who gained their position out of some sort of racial preference.
The professions are wide open to any minority who wants to make the effort. There is absolutely no reason why there should be quotas -- for anybody.
“I would be better off doing that than trusting the services of unqualified representation who gained their position out of some sort of racial preference.”
Just because you were not in the top 10% of your class doesn’t mean you are unqualified. Before 1960, my law school (University of Texas) took virtually all applicants who had a univeristy degree. It’s only become very competitive in the last few decades. Like I said before, practicing law is not like being a nuclear physicist. And there’s very little they teach you in law school that’s of much use anyay. And finally, from practicing with those older lawyers I can tell you that many of them were better lawyers, especially better trial lawyers, than the pencil-pushers that are being turned out these days.
Affirmative action is wrong no matter how you try to rationalize it. It doesn’t make any difference whether the judge was black or white or the lawyers where black or white. As long as they had EARNED their job by being the best lawyers and judges in their respective fields; then I could care less whether they were Black, Brown or Green. In any field whether it be Law, Medicine, or Basketball, people should be selected base on their ability above all else. If you do not feel comfortable with people of different color, that is your problem, but in a truly merit base society we get to where we are base on our ability. Until then, I hope you feel comfortable with having an affirmative action candidate perform heart surgery on you. AA can only undermine true equality and fuel racial animosity. Martin Luther King Jr. would be rolling in his grave if he knew how much his dream is being usurp by this evil notion of preference base on race, only this time, the color has changed.
“Put it this way. If you were a white person and had to go to court and there were only black lawyers and black judges, how comfortable would you feel about being treated fairly?”
I wouldn’t be comfortable at all. And, safe to say, neither would most of the posters in this forum, regardless of what they might post publicly.
And this is EXACTLY why - in the next 20-40 years - you will see a mass-migration of Euro-Americans like the country has never before seen, eclisping even the old “white flight” from cities to surrounding suburbs.
But it won’t be city-suburb this time, it will be state-to-state, as savvy whites flee “diversity” and multiculturalism to congregate in those remaining states with .... um... non-diverse majorities, and where “traditional culture”, values, and reason will prevail for at least a little while longer....
- John
I agree completely.
Just like the color of your skin doesn't mean you are qualified. Or unqualified.
“Just like the color of your skin doesn’t mean you are qualified. Or unqualified.”
No, it doesn’t have anything to do with being qualified or unqualified. What I am saying, though, is that I think it makes a difference to people when they go to the courthouse if they can see people of their race participating in the justice system—as lawyers, or judges, or administrators. I think it makes them believe in the system more. I think this is important, and I think the law schools should be allowed to address this concern in their admissions policy.
I think the same argument could be made about having cops of different races. When there’s trouble in the black part of town, I suspect sometimes it’s better to send in a black cop.
LOL!
For years, I've just checked 'other' and wrote American in the blank.
Oddly enough, no one has ever questioned it. :-)
Sorry counselor, but Brown v. Board of Education pretty much destroyed the concept of separate but equal.
Let's put it in very simple terms.
When I'm lying in an operating room, I want the guy holding the scalpel to be there because he's qualified, not because of his color.
And so do you.
But there is absolutely no call in either case to accept unqualified individuals into law school, the bar or the police force -- solely on the basis of skin color -- in order to accomplish this goal.
A competent, well-trained black cop would be the best solution. But better a competent well-trained white cop than a black cop who earned his position solely by virtue of affirmative action.
The so-called "soft bigotry of low expectations" has a corrosive effect on the entire society -- inevitably lowering expectations for all.
As a society, our standards should be uniformly high. Otherwise, they become bound to the lowest common denominator.
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