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To: AmericaUnited; Gamecock; irishtenor; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; ...
There are no "other verses" that disprove God's election and salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

Christ Himself tells us He does not pray for the world, but only for those whom the Father has given Him. (John 17:9) That should tell you something.

You're missing the bigger picture. Read some of the following links for clarity...

THE MEANING OF 'KOSMOS' IN JOHN 3:16
by Rev. Arthur W. Pink

And...

AN EXEGETICAL LOOK AT JOHN 3:16
How should we understand the most misused and mistreated verse in the whole Bible?
by Dr. C. Matthew McMahon

And...

THE ‘WORLD’ OF JOHN 3:16
DOES NOT MEAN
‘ALL MEN WITHOUT EXCEPTION’
by Rev. David J. Engelsma

And if these three pastors are not persuasive enough, read Christ's own words. Christ's sacrifice is sufficient for all men, effective only for the elect, according to God's will and not men's.

"I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them...

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word" -- John 17:9-10,20

Salvation is the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit at the direction of God alone, for His glory alone. If you believe in Christ it is because God has graciously removed your stony heart and replaced it with a heart of flesh, and given you new eyes and new ears and a renewed mind with which to understand what Christ has done for you on the cross.

All glory to God. From the beginning.

528 posted on 04/28/2008 6:13:18 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Now THAT’S a glorious summary of God’s glorious doctrine of election.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

and

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?


529 posted on 04/28/2008 6:45:41 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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