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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Petronski
In Revelations 2+3, Christ gives warnings such as:

4 But I have this against thee, that thou didst leave thy first love. 5 Remember therefore whence thou art fallen, and repent and do the first works; or else I come to thee, and will move thy candlestick out of its place, except thou repent.

Clear as day, they must CHOOSE TO REPENT, or else they will not be saved. If they were elected and the "deal was sealed", THIS WARNING WOULD MAKE NO SENSE WHATSOEVER!!! Jesus is not irrational and does not make irrational statements, the way some men's doctrines are/do.

500 posted on 04/25/2008 3:15:34 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
No one can "choose" to repent unless God first regenerates their heart. It's just not in the natural man to obey God. Man must be born again, not by the will of men but by the will of God.

Even our ability to repent is a gift from God.

"And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth" -- 2 Timothy 2:24-25

There are hundreds of "if/then" verses in the Bible, They are written by God to instruct the faithful.

The old man rebukes God. The new man in Christ obeys God. Why? Because of Christ within him. Our own obedience doesn't save us. Christ's obedience saves us and that righteousness is mercifully and freely imputed to us by God.

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." -- Romans 5:19

You continue to follow the dictates of Rome when you confuse justification with sanctification. Rome benefits by saying they are one and the same thing, therefore we are saved by our good works.

But the Bible tells us our own good works are as filthy rags, and the only good work that saves us is Christ's work on the cross. It is God who justifies the unGodly -- one time, for all the sins of His flock.

Good works, most especially our work of faith, are all a result of our regeneration by God; not a requirement for it.

Justification has been accomplished by Christ on the cross. Sanctification takes a life-time, "if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth."

503 posted on 04/25/2008 10:42:24 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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