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German schoolboy, 13, corrects NASA's asteroid figures: paper
physorg ^ | 4/15/08

Posted on 04/15/2008 4:30:27 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter

A 13-year-old German schoolboy corrected NASA's estimates on the chances of an asteroid colliding with Earth, a German newspaper reported Tuesday, after spotting the boffins had miscalculated. Nico Marquardt used telescopic findings from the Institute of Astrophysics in Potsdam (AIP) to calculate that there was a 1 in 450 chance that the Apophis asteroid will collide with Earth, the Potsdamer Neuerster Nachrichten reported.

NASA had previously estimated the chances at only 1 in 45,000 but told its sister organisation, the European Space Agency (ESA), that the young whizzkid had got it right.

The schoolboy took into consideration the risk of Apophis running into one or more of the 40,000 satellites orbiting Earth during its path close to the planet on April 13 2029.

Those satellites travel at 3.07 kilometres a second (1.9 miles), at up to 35,880 kilometres above earth -- and the Apophis asteroid will pass by earth at a distance of 32,500 kilometres.

If the asteroid strikes a satellite in 2029, that will change its trajectory making it hit earth on its next orbit in 2036.

Both NASA and Marquardt agree that if the asteroid does collide with earth, it will create a ball of iron and iridium 320 metres (1049 feet) wide and weighing 200 billion tonnes, which will crash into the Atlantic Ocean.

The shockwaves from that would create huge tsunami waves, destroying both coastlines and inland areas, whilst creating a thick cloud of dust that would darken the skies indefinitely.

The 13-year old made his discovery as part of a regional science competition for which he submitted a project entitled: "Apophis -- The Killer Astroid."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Germany
KEYWORDS: 2004mn4; 99942; apophis; asteroid
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To: 1rudeboy
"That would be a great, unmarried bookie"

Hey, if high school drop-out truck drivers can get married, so can geeky bookies. ;o)

21 posted on 04/15/2008 5:02:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
NASA is broken beyond belief. Take this from a former contractor to them. They cannot find their a$$(s) with the Hubble.
22 posted on 04/15/2008 5:05:31 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: Straight Vermonter
"Putting on my tinfoil hat, I wonder if they just didn’t want us to know how high the odds are."

Tin foil it is, these people need to look outside the box, eggheads don't even check each others work. (apparently)

Remember the Metric vs English system incident on the Mars probe?

How pathetic was that?

23 posted on 04/15/2008 5:09:14 PM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Both NASA and Marquardt agree that if the asteroid does collide with earth, it will create a ball of iron and iridium 320 metres (1049 feet) wide and weighing 200 billion tonnes, which will crash into the Atlantic Ocean.

How in the h%!! can they know exactly where the thing will land when they don't know if it will even deflect off a satellite or not?

24 posted on 04/15/2008 5:16:16 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (This is an Obama-nation!)
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To: Straight Vermonter

25 posted on 04/15/2008 5:17:32 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Hacklehead
NASA ain’t what it used to be.

Could it be because the original group of German scientists after WWII are now gone?

26 posted on 04/15/2008 5:22:27 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Onelifetogive

I’m no expert, but I wonder if the path of the thing is what has most of the error built into it, but the position of it now and it’s speed are fairly well known. Meaning that they know WHEN it will hit - IF it hits. (If it hits, it will be between 9:30 - 10:30 am, coming from the east, and would hit the Atlantic Ocean (or I suppose Greenland, or the poles?). Just my 2 cents.


27 posted on 04/15/2008 5:22:44 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

“However did they win...”


28 posted on 04/15/2008 5:26:23 PM PDT by Tea in the Harbor (The fault is not in our stars, but in ourselves.)
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To: Moonman62
This raises the possibility that a satellite could intentionally be used to alter the course of the asteroid.

You bet.

29 posted on 04/15/2008 5:28:34 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Straight Vermonter
Both NASA and Marquardt agree that if the asteroid does collide with earth, it will create a ball of iron and iridium 320 metres (1049 feet) wide and weighing 200 billion tonnes, which will crash into the Atlantic Ocean. The shockwaves from that would create huge tsunami waves, destroying both coastlines and inland areas

Hmmm..This would mean that Washington D.C. would be destroyed.

So if a satellite was intentionally diverted.....

30 posted on 04/15/2008 5:32:47 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Straight Vermonter
If the asteroid strikes a satellite in 2029, that will change its trajectory making it hit earth on its next orbit in 2036

While it is plausible that a collision with an satellite could slightly alter the course of the asteroid, it doesn't make sense to me that a collision with a satellite in 2029 automatically equals a course change that leads to a collision with the earth in 2036. That seems a little bit like assuming if the cue ball hits the eight ball, the eigh ball will always in up in the left side pocket of a pool table. Isn't it also possible that such a collision would take it further from the earth on the next pass? Or possible that collision of a 200 billion ton asteroid with a satellite that weighed a few hundred pounds might not alter the course significantly at all?

31 posted on 04/15/2008 5:36:06 PM PDT by CaptainMorgantown
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To: Straight Vermonter

Does anyone know if you are in greater danger from asteroids if you live on a mountain?


32 posted on 04/15/2008 5:37:15 PM PDT by buck jarret
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To: Straight Vermonter

Rename NASA to NassA


33 posted on 04/15/2008 5:43:51 PM PDT by BedRock ("A country that doesn't enforce it's laws will live in chaos, & will cease to exist.")
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To: CaptainMorgantown

You seem to be asking a question, where the analysis has already been provided. This was obviously based on the orbit of of earth, the angle of approach of the asteroid, and the orbits of the satellites etc. If it were not based on that, how else would it be known the asteroid in the above scenario, would strike the Atlantic Ocean? Give only the details provided, with NASA agreeing with the calculations, I would seen others have calculated this to very close tolerances.


34 posted on 04/15/2008 5:45:26 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Straight Vermonter
there was a 1 in 450 chance that the Apophis asteroid will collide with Earth

But I thought that SG-1 killed Apophis!!
Those false gods just keep coming back!

35 posted on 04/15/2008 5:45:41 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her)
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To: Straight Vermonter

You know, with these kind of miscalculations, I really wouldn’t want to be on any of the space shuttle flights...


36 posted on 04/15/2008 5:45:46 PM PDT by BedRock ("A country that doesn't enforce it's laws will live in chaos, & will cease to exist.")
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To: Straight Vermonter

Those darn decimal points.


37 posted on 04/15/2008 5:48:12 PM PDT by Hamilcar_Barca
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To: Straight Vermonter

Ok, 2036. That will make me 83. So, that gives me plenty of time to build my underground shelter for my grand children.


38 posted on 04/15/2008 5:49:44 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: buck jarret
Does anyone know if you are in greater danger from asteroids if you live on a mountain?

Lets put it this way. If an asteroid of say 2000 feet wide, struck this planet within 1000 miles away from your mountain cabin, you be almost vaporized immediately. And if you survived the initial blast and shock waves, conditions would deteriorate rapidly to the point where most living things would die.

39 posted on 04/15/2008 5:49:51 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Professional Engineer

Given a little more time and Bittygirl will be in the news like this. :-)


40 posted on 04/15/2008 5:55:56 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
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