Posted on 04/14/2008 10:23:50 AM PDT by ansel12
The raid on a polygamist compound in Texas could signal the beginning of the end of a lifestyle that has flown under the radar in America, according to an expert on cults.
The Fundamentalist Church of Latter-day Saints, which operates the compound near Eldorado, Texas, along with other communities around the country -- including Colorado City, Ariz. -- fits the classic criteria of a cult, according to Rick Ross.
He says there are about 50,000 polygamists living in North America and Mexico.
``The level of harm done by polygamist groups is horrific, and, in particular, this group (FLDS) has a long history of very seriously damaging children through sexual abuse, neglect and physical abuse."
More than 400 children were taken from the Texas compound after authorities received a phone call from a 16-year-old girl, who said she had been forced to marry an older man and have his child. Arizona authorities received a similar call from a 16-year-old girl in Colorado City, but authorities said they had no power to act on the unverified call.
These children come from a ``world within our world," completely controlled by the church group, according to Ross.``Without television, without newspapers, without all the things that kids grow up with these days. All information, all associations, everything around them controlled by the organization."
The harm done to children by the FLDS church, whose leader Warren Jeffs is jailed on sex charges in Kingman, is amazing, Ross says.
As soon as children reach puberty, Ross says, ``they become so much like a commodity that has literally been passed from one community to another community... The child can be married off, her husband can take her as so much property. She is obliged to obey him and submit to him, even if he's violent, even if he's abusive."
The cult expert says, ``Out of all the groups called cults in North American that I've dealt with, some of the most horrific complaints of sexual and physican abuse have come from these polygamist groups."
He said the children taken from such groups ``are going to need counseling, they're going to need help," adding, ``The youngest children will probably do the best because they've had the least time in the group."
Jeffs' group has been funded for years by taxpayers who didn't know it, Ross says.
``Seventy percent of the people in Colorado City were on food stamps, 40 percent of the women were receiving assistance through a WIC (women's and children ) fund."
The group also got money ``through state funds, through federal funds which were accumulated for infrastructure within their township."
``When they began to basically clamp down on this group for its illegal activities, it had accumulated assets in excess of $200-million dollars," he said. ``So this was a group that grew very rich, very powerful, often through taxpayers' money."
Attorneys general from Arizona and Utah made a significant impact in the last few years when they went after Jeffs, ultimately getting Utah convictims against him for rape by accomplice in arranging marriages of under-aged girls, Ross said. Jeffs now is jailed in Kingman, awaiting trial on similar Arizona charges.
Besides physical and sexual abuse, ``there have also been violations of child labor laws, repeatedly," Ross said. ``Children as young as 12 working in dangerous circumstances with machinery that they have no business operating."
Ross said he's encouraged by the actions of Texas authorities.
``With the law now effectively going after them, their era seems to be coming to an end."
Plz upgrade your Teletype machine. Modern eqpt has both upper and lower case.
Possibly, but imperfect.
Start a different thread on that topic and I would be very happy to discuss it.
Judging by the way you suddenly started spamming every FLDS thread with the death penalty and personal insults, I think that you are simply trying to disrail the threads on flds.
“The petitions of the TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES, Petitioner, were filed in the 51st Judicial District Court of Schleicher County, Texas, on April 7, 2008, and April 8, 2008, against the various Respondents named in the Petitions, as well as others not specifically named therein. The suits are numbered 2779 through 2903, and are entitled as follows:
2779 IN THE INTEREST OF BABY GIRL JESSOP #26600675, A CHILD
2780 IN THE INTEREST OF VILATE NIELSEN, A CHILD
2781 IN THE INTEREST OF ESTER NIELSON, A CHILD
2782 IN THE INTEREST OF MARILYN ROBACK, A CHILD
2783 IN THE INTEREST OF SUSIE ANN JEFFS, A CHILD
2784 IN THE INTEREST OF SHANALYN JEFFS, A CHILD
2785 IN THE INTEREST OF SETH JEFFS, A CHILD
2786 IN THE INTEREST OF JOSIAH BARLOW JEFFS, A CHILD
2787 IN THE INTEREST OF STEED JEFFS, A CHILD
2788 IN THE INTEREST OF LEAH JESSOP JEFFS, A CHILD
2789 IN THE INTEREST OF MARILEE JEFFS, A CHILD
2790 IN THE INTEREST OF KAYLEE JEFFS, A CHILD
2791 IN THE INTEREST OF RICHARD JEFFS, A CHILD
2792 IN THE INTEREST OF JOSEPH SMITH JEFFS, A CHILD
2793 IN THE INTEREST OF JAMES RULON JEFFS, A CHILD
2794 IN THE INTEREST OF HANNAH JEFFS, A CHILD
2795 IN THE INTEREST OF ALLEN JEFFS, A CHILD
2796 IN THE INTEREST OF SAMANTHA EMAK, A CHILD
2797 IN THE INTEREST OF ETZEL #26609430, A CHILD
2798 IN THE INTEREST OF FREDDIE #26609430, A CHILD
2799 IN THE INTEREST OF ABRAHAM #26609359, A CHILD
2800 IN THE INTEREST OF AMBER #26609387, A CHILD
2801 IN THE INTEREST OF ANN #26609432, A CHILD
2802 IN THE INTEREST OF DANIELLE BARLOW, A CHILD
2803 IN THE INTEREST OF EZRA BARLOW, A CHILD
2804 IN THE INTEREST OF RENON BARLOW, A CHILD
2805 IN THE INTEREST OF STEVEN BARLOW, A CHILD
2806 IN THE INTEREST OF BEN #26690422, A CHILD
2807 IN THE INTEREST OF BRENDA #26690422, A CHILD
2808 IN THE INTEREST OF ABRAM BARLOW, A CHILD
2809 IN THE INTEREST OF AMON BARLOW, A CHILD
2810 IN THE INTEREST OF AUTUMN BARLOW, A CHILD
2811 IN THE INTEREST OF IDA #26609422, A CHILD
2812 IN THE INTEREST OF NAOMI (LAST NAME UNKNOWN) #26609432, A CHILD
2813 IN THE INTEREST OF NAOMI #26609436, A CHILD
2814 IN THE INTEREST OF NETTIE #26609402, A CHILD
2815 IN THE INTEREST OF JAMES #26609371, A CHILD
2816 IN THE INTEREST OF ABRAHAM LEROY JESSUP, A/K/A ABRAHAM LeROY JESSOP,
A/K/A ABRAHAM LEROY JESSUP, A/K/A ABRAHAM LeROY JESSUP, A CHILD
2817 IN THE INTEREST OF ANDREW JESSOP, A CHILD
2818 IN THE INTEREST OF BENJAMIN JESSOP, A CHILD
2819 IN THE INTEREST OF BETHANY JESSOP, A CHILD
2820 IN THE INTEREST OF CHARITY JESSOP, A CHILD
2821 IN THE INTEREST OF DAVID LEROY JESSOP, A/K/A DAVID LeROY
JESSOP, A/K/A DAVID LEROY JESSUP, A/K/A DAVID LeROY JESSOP, A CHILD
2822 IN THE INTEREST OF JAMES JESSOP, A CHILD
2823 IN THE INTEREST OF ALLEN DUTSON, A CHILD
2824 IN THE INTEREST OF MORONI DUTSON, A CHILD
2825 IN THE INTEREST OF NANCY DUTSON, A CHILD
2826 IN THE INTEREST OF REBECCA DUTSON, A CHILD
2827 IN THE INTEREST OF SHAUNA DUTSON, A CHILD
2828 IN THE INTEREST OF BRIGHAM EMACK, A CHILD
2829 IN THE INTEREST OF WADE LYNDSAY, A CHILD
2830 IN THE INTEREST OF ROULENE DUTSON, A CHILD
2831 IN THE INTEREST OF MALE CHILD (NAME UNKNOWN), A CHILD
2832 IN THE INTEREST OF ZAYNE LYNDSAY, A CHILD
2833 IN THE INTEREST OF MARYANN (LAST NAME UNKNOWN) #26609422, A CHILD
2834 IN THE INTEREST OF MARYANN(LAST NAME UNKNOWN) #26609432, A CHILD
2835 IN THE INTEREST OF MATY (LAST NAME UNKNOWN), A CHILD
2836 IN THE INTEREST OF NAOMI ROBACK, A CHILD
2837 IN THE INTEREST OF RULON ROBACK, A CHILD
2838 IN THE INTEREST OF RULEN #26609402, A CHILD
2839 IN THE INTEREST OF RULON #26609387 (LAST NAME UKNOWN) A CHILD
2840 IN THE INTEREST OF RULON #26609395, A CHILD
2841 IN THE INTEREST OF RULON #26609432 (LAST NAME UNKNOWN) A CHILD
2842 IN THE INTEREST OF RULON #26609435, A CHILD
2843 IN THE INTEREST OF JOESON JESSOP, A CHILD
2844 IN THE INTEREST OF JOSEPH JESSOP, A CHILD
2845 IN THE INTEREST OF LEROY SUNDERLAND JESSOP, A/K/A LeROY SUNDERLAND
JESSOP, A/K/A LEROY SUNDERLAND JESSUP, A/K/A LeROY SUNDERLAND JESSUP, A CHILD
2846 IN THE INTEREST OF LYLE LEROY JESSOP, A/K/A LYLE LeROY JESSOP,
A/K/A LYLE LEROY JESSUP, A/K/A LYLE LeROY JESSUP, A CHILD
2847 IN THE INTEREST OF MARIA JESSOP, A/K/A MARIA JESSUP, A CHILD
2848 IN THE INTEREST OF MELANIE JESSOP, A/K/A MELANIE JESSUP, A CHILD
2849 IN THE INTEREST OF MELISSA JESSOP, A CHILD
2850 IN THE INTEREST OF REBECCA JESSOP, A CHILD
2851 IN THE INTEREST OF SARA #26609406, A CHILD
2852 IN THE INTEREST OF SETH (LAST NAME UNKNOWN) #26609403, A CHILD
2853 IN THE INTEREST OF SHAWN #26609430, A CHILD
2854 IN THE INTEREST OF ANGELA STEED, A CHILD
2855 IN THE INTEREST OF HARMONY STEED, A CHILD
2856 IN THE INTEREST OF JOSIE STEED, A CHILD
2857 IN THE INTEREST OF SARAH JESSOP BARLOW, A/K/A SARAH BARLOW, A CHILD
2858 IN THE INTEREST OF ESTHER NIELSEN, A/K/A ESTHER NEILSEN, A CHILD
2859 IN THE INTEREST OF KAYLEE STEED, A CHILD
2860 IN THE INTEREST OF ESTHER NIELSON, A CHILD
2861 IN THE INTEREST OF KENDRA STEED, A CHILD
2862 IN THE INTEREST OF LEANNA STEED, A CHILD
2863 IN THE INTEREST OF CURTIS LYNDSAY, A CHILD
2864 IN THE INTEREST OF DANIEL LYNDSAY, A CHILD
2865 IN THE INTEREST OF WENDELL JESSOP, A CHILD
2866 IN THE INTEREST OF WILLIAM LEROY JESSOP, A/K/A WILLIAM LeROY JESSOP,
A/K/A WILLIAM LEROY JESSUP, A/K/A WILLIAM LeROY JESSUP, A CHILD
2867 IN THE INTEREST OF YVONNE JESSOP, A CHILD
2868 IN THE INTEREST OF ZIANA JESSOP, A CHILD
2869 IN THE INTEREST OF AVALON JOHNSON, A CHILD
2870 IN THE INTEREST OF SERMELIA JOHNSON, A CHILD
2871 IN THE INTEREST OF SUZANNE JOHNSON, A CHILD
2972 IN THE INTEREST OF VILATE JOHNSON, A CHILD
2873 IN THE INTEREST OF JOSHUA #26609395, A CHILD
2874 IN THE INTEREST OF LORETTA (LAST NAME UNKNOWN) #26609432, A CHILD
2875 IN THE INTEREST OF LESLIE STEED, A CHILD
2876 IN THE INTEREST OF LEVI STEED, A CHILD
2877 IN THE INTEREST OF LISA STEED, A CHILD
2878 IN THE INTEREST OF LUCINDA STEED, A CHILD
2879 IN THE INTEREST OF LUKE STEED, A CHILD
2880 IN THE INTEREST OF MARTHA STEED, A CHILD
2881 IN THE INTEREST OF MARY STEED, A CHILD
2882 IN THE INTEREST OF MATY STEED, A CHILD
2883 IN THE INTEREST OF MORMON #26609402, A CHILD
2884 IN THE INTEREST OF MILLENNIA #26609395, A CHILD
2885 IN THE INTEREST OF SYLVIA STEED, A CHILD
2886 IN THE INTEREST OF RULEN STEED, A CHILD
2887 IN THE INTEREST OF SARAH STEED, A CHILD
2888 IN THE INTEREST OF SHEM STEED, A CHILD
2889 IN THE INTEREST OF TROY STEED, A CHILD
2890 IN THE INTEREST OF WOODY (LAST NAME UNKNOWN) #26609405, A CHILD
2891 IN THE INTEREST OF WENDELL #26609406, A CHILD
2892 IN THE INTEREST OF WARREN #26609395, A CHILD
2893 IN THE INTEREST OF UNKNOWN BABY BOY #26609354, A CHILD
2894 IN THE INTEREST OF SUNSHINE #26609383, A CHILD
2895 IN THE INTEREST OF ZANE STEED, A CHILD
2896 IN THE INTEREST OF RACHEL STEED, A CHILD
2897 IN THE INTEREST OF OLIVE STEED, A CHILD
2898 IN THE INTEREST OF NAOMI STEED, A CHILD
2899 IN THE INTEREST OF MONICA STEED, A CHILD
2900 IN THE INTEREST OF MIRANDA STEED, A CHILD
2901 IN THE INTEREST OF HYRUM SMITH JEFFS, A CHILD
2902 IN THE INTEREST OF 330 CHILDREN FROM THE YFZ RANCH
2903 IN THE INTEREST OF 16 CHILDREN FROM THE YFZ RANCH
“Each suit requests (1) Emergency protection of a Child or Children, as the case may be, who are the subject(s) of these suits, (2) appointment as temporary managing conservator of the Child or Children, as the case may be, who are the subject(s) of these suits, and (3) appointment as permanent managing conservator of the Child or Children, as the case may be, who are the subject(s) of these suits
THE FOLLOWING PERSONS, WHO HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED TO THE PETITIONER AS ALLEGED PARENTS OF ONE OR MORE OF THE CHILDREN REMOVED FROM THE YFZ RANCH, ELDORADO, SCHLEICHER COUNTY, TEXAS, BETWEEN APRIL 4, 2008, AND MIDNIGHT ON APRIL 7, 2008, RESPONDENT(S):
Name of Alleged Parent & Date of Birth
Allred, Becky November 2, 1987
Allred, Carol Ann Unknown
Allred, Mary December 21, 1976
Allred, Merilyn September 22, 1974
Allred, Richard Unknown
Allread, Mary Unknown
Allread, Helen Unknown
Barlow, Adeline Unknown
Barlow, Amy August 28, 1978
Barlow, Areta Unknown
Barlow, Areta Kathleen Unknown
Barlow, Connie Richelle Unknown
Barlow, D.R. Unknown
Barlow, Dale November 6, 1957
Barlow, Dan Unknown
Barlow, Dianabell Unknown
Barlow, Donald Robert July 28, 1956
Barlow, Dora Mae May 1, 1964
Barlow, Faye Unknown
Barlow, Kayetta Unknown
Barlow, Martha Joy Unknown
Barlow, Nephi May 14, 1983
Barlow, Pauline February 11, 1972
Barlow, Richard Unknown
Barlow, Richard Jessop November 1, 1967
Barlow, Rosanna August 9, 1981
Barlow, Sarah Unknown
Barlow, Susan Unknown
Bradshaw, Louisa Unknown
Cox, Evelyn Unknown
Darger, Joy Unknown
Dockstader, James Unknown
Dockstader, Nancy Unknown
Draper, Sarah Unknown
Dutson, Keith Unknown
Dutson, Keith Jr. December 4, 1984
Dutson, Janice November 4, 1985
Dutson, Martha Emack Unknown
Dutson, Natalie Jessop September 26, 1989
Dutson, Rebecca August 9, 1990
Emak, Michael George Unknown
Harker, Lenora October 15, 1972
Harker, Phyllis Jessop Unknown
Harker, Sterling John Unknown
Hill, Sarah Unknown
Holm, Mary Ann Unknown
Jeffs, Abe Unknown
Jeffs, Abram Unknown
Jeffs, Annette Unknown
Jeffs, Dan Unknown
Jeffs, David Unknown
Jeffs, Ilene Unknown
Jeffs, Janet April 6, 1957
Jeffs, Leroy Unknown
Jeffs, Lyle Steed January 17, 1960
Jeffs, Madeline July 1, 1953
Jeffs, Madilin Unknown
Jeffs, Marylin Unknown
Jeffs, Merilyn Unknown
Jeffs, Nora January 18, 1968 (possible)
Jeffs, Rachel October 15, 1970
Jeffs, Ruth Edna November 12, 1973
Jeffs, Sally Unknown
Jeffs, Sandra Unknown
Jeffs, Sue Unknown
Jessop, Alice Unknown
Jessop, Barbara Unknown
Jessop, Barbara Joyce Unknown
Jessop, Brenda Unknown
Jessop, Carlene January 10, 1981
Jessop, Cathleen Unknown
Jessop, Don Unknown
Jessop, Edson Unknown
Jessop, Elizabeth Unknown
Jessop, Fredrick Unknown
Jessop, Jennetta, Unknown
a/k/a Jennetta Barlow
Jessop, Jim Unknown
Jessop, Joseph, Unknown
a/k/a Joseph Jessop, Jr.,
a/k/a Joseph Johnson
Jessop, Joseph Sr. Unknown
Jessop, Josephine, Unknown
a/k/a Josephine Anne Jessop
Jessop, Joy Unknown
Jessop, Leroy Unknown
Jessop, Lori Unknown
Jessop, Lydia November 25, 1985
Jessop, Marie Unknown
Jessup, Merril Unknown
Jessop, Mindy August 7, 1987
Jessop, Monica Sue Unknown
Jessop, Nathan Unknown
Jessop, Naomi Ruth Unknown
Jessop, Neola Unknown
Jessop, Paula Unknown
Jessop, Richard Unknown
Jessop, Sarah January 19, 1976
Jessop, Sarah January 13, 1992
Jessop, Sarah Cathleen March 27, 1990
Jessop, Sharon Jeffs March 1, 1978
Jessop, William Sunderland June 10, 1979
Jessops, Mary Unknown
Jessops, Pamela December 9, 1989
Johnson, Amy Unknown
Johnson, Charlotte Unknown
Johnson, Faith Ann April 26, 1985
Johnson, Frank Unknown
Johnson, Frank Tillon Unknown
Johnson, Jacob February 9, 1978
Johnson, Jacob Unknown
Johnson, Joseph Unknown
Johnson, Karen August 16 ,1973
Johnson, Lamar Unknown
Johnson, Lydia Unknown
Johnson, Nancy September 2, 1962
a/k/a Nancy Barlow Unknown
Johnson, Patricia Unknown
Johnson, Roleen December 6, 1987
Johnson, Russell January 7, 1972
Johnson, Sarah Elizabeth Unknown
Johnson, Sylvia Elizabeth Unknown
Keate, Allan May 12, 1952 (possible)
Keate, Linda August 4, 1982
Keate, Lorene Unknown
Keate, Marilyn January 7, 1990
Keate, Olrene Julia (approx. 22 years old)
Keate, Rachel July 25, 1989
Keate, Ruland Unknown
Lindsey, Fred Jr. October 9, 1982
Lyndsay, Fred Unknown
Lyndsay, Gladys Unknown
Musser, Amos Nielson Unknown
Musser, Linda Jeffs Unknown
Musser, Marie Unknown
Nielsen, Janet Jeffs Unknown
Nielsen, Lucille April 23, 1983
Nielsen, Vickie Unknown
Nielsen, Wendall Unknown
Nielsen, Wendell Unknown
Nielson, Janet Jeffs Unknown
Nielson, Wendell Unknown
Roback, Ron Unknown
Roundy, Lorraine June 28,1978
Steed, David Unknown
Steed, Fawn Unknown
Steed, Isaac Unknown
Steed, Joann Unknown
Steed, Joseph Unknown
Steed, Joseph Jessop Unknown
Steed, Kathleen Unknown
Steed, Kathleen April 30, 1968 (possible)
Steed, Kathleen Jessop Unknown
Steed, Lanora Unknown
Steed, Lenora Unknown
Steed, Leona Unknown
Steed, Leonna Unknown
Steed, Leroy Unknown
Steed, Leroy July 20, 1966
Steed, Leroy Johnson Unknown
Steed, Lori Unknown
Steed, Louanna Jessop Unknown
Steed, Louise Unknown
Steed, Mane Holm Unknown
Steed, Marie Unknown
Steed, Marie , Unknown
a/k/a Mane Holm Steed
Steed, Marilyn Unknown
Steed, Mindy Unknown
Steed, Rebecca Unknown
Steed, Sara Unknown
Steed, Tina July 30, 1987
Steed, Viola October 23, 1985
Steed, Vye Unknown
Wall, Lloyd Unknown
Williams, Margaret February 26, 1986
Young, Zavanda Unknown
Young, Zavanda November 7, 1964
Zitting, Zion Unknown
Zitting, Priscilla February 14, 1988
http://www.myeldorado.net/Pages/LegalNotices.html
Bingo. But that would require this 'expert' to have some sort of professional ethics. If he kept his yap shut how on earth would he be invited on Oprah or Dr. Phil?
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Well, the heading of this thread has to do with cults, and so I am questioning your opinion of “prophets” who demand obedience to their “commanments” and those who follow them.
fLDS has a prophet who still follows the command of Joseph Smith. Mormonism reveres Smith as a Prophet. What do you see is the difference between the two, and how would you defend the allegation that the fLDS or the CoJCoLDS is a cult.
I raise this question to try to bring YOU back to topic.
Why does the United States tolerate such cults? These people sound sick in the head.
Well it might help your cause if you stop referring to everyone on this thread as an idiot...
I am a Catholic and I give FLDS the benefit of the doubt on this one.
“Why does the United States tolerate such cults? These people sound sick in the head.”
I think that a large part of it is trying to figure out to bring down a “religion” it is a tricky tangle of laws to deal with, but it looks like we are starting to try and figure it out, especially since we are funding them with taxpayer dollars.
Cool, an essay question.
I just want to stop the FLDS from getting their way.
expert?
what does he give expert testimony for? Is he just an “expert hired gun”?
such experts do more damage than help.
Hired gun experts gave us reconstructed memories. Hired gun experts fill all the back of legal journals like a purient escort section of the yellow pages.
Of course these people were exhibiting all the trademarks of a cult. The enforced isolation, the complete exclusion of the outside world via no communication.
always be suspicious of experts like this.
Nice dodge.
Hail to the Man!
perhaps this expert is trying to get a job in the MSM as an exert commentator for truTV formerly courtTV.
This is going to be a loooooooooong trial. A defeat for the state here is only going to empower the cults.
Then their president could have used you on his jury last year, because he was convicted of leading the faiths religious ceremonies that are rape of children.
“Warren Jeffs, the sect’s prophet and spiritual leader at its longtime headquarters in the dusty, side-by-side towns of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz., was charged in 2005 and 2006 with forcing underage girls into marriages. He was convicted in September in Utah of being an accomplice to rape and is serving up to life in prison."
Because Texas law says that every child involved has to have his/her own lawyer.
‘classic’??? WTF?
Rick Ross is a felon and a con-artist.
Here is the way to tell if something is really wrong. If your religion has teachings which involve people having sex with one of the leaders, RUN!!!!
Amazing, freepers see a cult experts observations as insulting to a child rape cult.
What?
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