Posted on 04/13/2008 9:31:39 AM PDT by billorites
Fresh fruit can cause an insulin response which tells your body to store fat. Any fruit with a high glycemic index is likely to cause an IR.
When people eliminate the constant cycle of IR’s from eating too much high starch and sugar foods (and add a little exercise) they start losing weight.
White bread causes a bigger insulin response than a snickers bar. So technically the snickers bar will put less fat on your body.
Oh, that's right - you don't care. I guess then you won't be eating at my house - where I can also cook quite well.
I would LOVE to have all of the fresh fruit and veggies you mentioned, but a week of the fruit and veggies and low-fat would have me gain 10lbs!
I do have thyroid and metabolism issues, and my doctor supports me 100% in my high protein/medium fat diet. I don't eat the way you do, but you would call me lazy for not eating the way you do. I do purchase fresh fruit and veggies, and every meal has veggies, and protein and fats. But you would call me grotesque.
You might prejudge me, but since I am not cut from the same cloth you are, maybe you should re-evaluate your biases. But you don't care - and I won't either.
(And, FTR, I'm at the gym @ 5:30 in the morning for an hour, and I'm still a "fattie" in your book.)
Take a look at “Natural Hormonal Enhancement” by Rob Faigin. You are on the right track and this book will provide a complete scientific explanation of why it’s the right way to eat. It dispels many myths about Fat and explains why a low carb/high fat (good fat) diet is the right way to eat.
avacados have a lot of fat
Yeah, but like peanut butter, it’s the *good* kind of fat. :-)
peanut butter is a great source of protein
Let’s look at your “high carb” counts for fresh fruit:
Apple: one small 55 calories
Banana: one small 72 calories
Apricot: one, raw 17 calories
Blueberries: 50 39 calories
Canteloupe: 1/8 small 19 calories
Cherry: 1 sweet raw 4 calories
Grape: 1 American 2 calories
Honeydew 1/8 small 45 calories
Kiwi: 1 46 calories
Orange: 1 navel 69 calories
Peach: 1 small 31 calories
Pear: 1 bosq 81 calories
Pineapple: raw 1 slice 27 calories
And now for broccoli, with cheese: Green Giant Just for One serving has 60 calories.
You can find this and a lot of other information at:
Carbs in fresh fruit are not very high, and with the fiber and other nutrients essential to health, even diabetics are usually able to eat several servings per day. Canned fruit in syrup does NOT constitute a healthy way to eat. The values I gave are all for FRESH, raw fruit.
“Something else is at work here.”
Try researching the side effects of high fructose corn syrup, aspertame, etc. which most food is pumped FULL of—you’ll be surprised to find it’s addictive and causes MORE hunger and appetite cravings!
Again, you might want to check into the side effects of high fructose corn syrup, aspertame, etc. which is being pumped into nearly every kind of food possible, even the so-called “healthy and organic” kinds—one of the major side effects is
appetite increase and cravings, and raising of triglycerides.
I suspect there is much more in the background of our groceries than we can even imagine.
High protein medium fat is a good diet. How do you get your vitamins, ie C, Bs, and the fat soluble D, A, K, E?
Actually, I was responding to another poster who stated I have a bias. I want to make it clear that I do, and I’m not embarrassed about that. What you are doing is sound, and I commend you.
I have had thyroid issues in the past, had radiation to ablate hyperthyroidism. I have to eat properly to avoid either gaining or losing. That means fresh fruit and veggies, home cooking to avoid excess salt and MSG, lots of home-cooked protein, and a moderate amount of carbs.
You are confusing “carbs” with calories. Raw broccoli is almost reaches negative calorie territory thanks to it’s fibrous structure. Slap on some high fat salad dressing and it becomes a superior snack to fruit (very high in vitamin C and E). Fat is a superior source of energy compared to fructose (in fruit) for the body.
Don’t get me wrong, some fruit is good, but the idea that you must eat it daily is completely wrong.
No, I am not confusing carbs with calories.
Fats have approx 9 calories per gram
Carbohydrates have approx 4 calories per gram
Protein has approx 4 calories per gram
That is why fats are so satisfying. And fats are not what is bad; refined carbs are bad. Fresh fruit has a low carb count compared to canned fruit in syrup, for instance.
We agree on the role of fat and the fact refined carbs are bad. However, all calories are not equal however and that’s why counting calories is unnecessary. The amount of calories actually absorbed by the body vary widely depending on the fibrousness of the food. So 5 calories of a carb does not equal 5 calories of a protein after consumption. Simply cooking carrots dramatically increases their caloric absorption and increases IR compared to a raw carrot.
A low carb (complex carbs and no simple/refined carbs) diet high in good fats and protein with an occasional “carb load” of starchy/fructose carbs is the best approach to dieting. It really boils down to separating fats from sugars and complex carbs, that combination is why most Americans are overweight.
We do not disagree.
However, my criticism of “fatties” started with the morbidly obese couple in WalMart who had two baskets FULL of no fresh fruits or veggies, no meats that needed to be cooked to be eaten, nothing but refined carbs. That was upthread.
Why we got on fruits, I’ll never know, except that someone criticized me for recommending fresh fruits because they are “high carb” when in reality, they are NOT. Yes, they have fructose, but they also have water soluble vitamins and lots of fiber. They don’t have very many calories for their bulk, which means the fructose carb load is LOW. I know about the IR studies, let’s just say I’m not completely convinced.
Anyway, it was the very obese couple with their obese daughter that caught my attention. Not to mention the kid that choked on grapes.
The tragedy in these cases is the kids will likely be put on a low calorie / low fat diet. They will suffer continuous hunger pains and will utterly fail to remain on the diet. Normally these low fat diets cause the dieter to lose precious muscle mass and as a result lower the metabolism.
There is a great deal of ignorance about what makes us fat and how much exercise is truly necessary to live a fit lifestyle. I personally only work out 3 times a week for 40 minutes. Occasionally I’ll do some cardio in-between my strength training days but my routine is not difficult to keep to.
LOL! Try not to feel too much guilt. : )
I agree with you.
Carbohydrates at 4 calories per gram leads to weight gain and diabetes more so than the consumption of fat at 9 calories per gram? Maybe it's simply the overconsumption of calories that leads to obesity and, eventually, diabetes?
You didn’t provide any carbohydrate numbers, only calories...
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