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To: Will88
stoop beating around the bush and just say you favor totally open borders

What I favor is a system in which able-bodied individuals with no criminal record and with job offers are given temporary residence visas that are immediately revocable at discretion.

And, 95% of Mexicans (or more) SHOULD NOT have any legal way to come to the US and stay. It’s called being a sovereign nation with laws and borders.

You seem to have mistaken the sovereignty of a free nation for the sovereignty of a police state.

59 posted on 04/11/2008 11:47:15 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
You seem to have mistaken the sovereignty of a free nation for the sovereignty of a police state.

Now this is simply drifting off into absolute absurdity, wideawake. Neither Mexico nor Canada (simply to take the two most obvious and geographically pertinent examples) allow U.S. citizens to enter said nations at will -- flagrantly flaunting their own legally established immigration procedures, mind -- and then to stay, indefinitely, in direct violation of their sovereign laws. Plainly, neither of these are [*kaff*kaff*] "police states"; neither then, demonstrably, is the U.S., in doing precisely the same.

In all candor, FRiend -- no needling or sarcasm intended (honest) -- I'd recommend stepping back from the keyboard for, say, half an hour or so, and re-thinking this particular line of argument. It's a non-starter. ;)

60 posted on 04/11/2008 11:58:10 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (McCain "conservatives" = hardcore liberals who nonetheless appreciate the occasional tax cut.)
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To: wideawake

“You seem to have mistaken the sovereignty of a free nation for the sovereignty of a police state.”

That’s a classic. You seem to have mistaken the sovereignty of a free nation for the...

Well, you’ve mistaken it for nothing at all, other than your own twisted logic. Having immigration laws, and enforcing those laws, is NOT a police state.

What you really favor is turning over all immigration decisions to business interests. We’ve done that for years and it’s gotten us around 20 million illegals, and all the diminished wages and living standards that entails, and also the cheaper payrolls for the lawbreakers who hired them illegally.

It’s time business interests were ignored on immigration policy for a couple of decades, and let the much ballyhooed free market function among US citizens to make the necessary adjustments in supply, demand and price of labor.

That’s what this is all about from the American side, cheap labor and little else.
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77 posted on 04/11/2008 12:53:19 PM PDT by Will88
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