Posted on 04/10/2008 12:48:18 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
With the Iraqi government applying pressure to the Sadrist movement and Muqtada al Sadr to disband the Mahdi Army, Iraqs senior Shia cleric has weighed in on the issue. Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the most revered Shia cleric in Iraq, backed the governments position that the Mahdi Army should surrender its weapons and said he never consulted with Sadr on disbanding the Mahdi Army. Instead, the decision to disband the Mahdi Army is Sadrs to make.
Sistani spoke through Jalal el Din al Saghier, a senior leader of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, a rival political party to the Sadrist movement. Saghier was clear that Sistani did not sanction the Mahdi Army and called for it to disarm.
"Sistani has a clear opinion in this regard; the law is the only authority in the country," Saghier told Voices of Iraq, indicating Sistani supports Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki and the government in the effort to sideline the Mahdi Army. "Sistani asked the Mahdi army to give in weapons to the government."
Sadr did not consult with Sistani on the issue of disbanding the Mahdi Army, disputing a claim from Sadrist spokesmen who intimated Iraqis top cleric told Sadr to maintain his militia. "The top Shiite cleric had not been consulted in establishing the Mahdi Army, so [he] could not interfere in dissolving it, Saghier said. Whosoever established the al-Mahdi army has to dissolve it; Sayyed Muqtada al-Sadr established this army and it is only him who has to dissolve it."
Sistanis statements are the latest in a series of moves to politically isolate the Sadrist movement and delegitimize the Mahdi Army.
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Thought this was worth it’s own thread.
I believe you are correct.
The MSM will say that “this is seen as victory for al Sadr.”
Give it up Mookie. No one likes you.
Maybe his he/she boyfriend likes him!
Sistani Tells Sadr To Lay Down Arms
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First there was this:
Iraqs top Shiite religious leaders have told anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr not to disband his Mehdi Army, an al-Sadr spokesman said Monday amid fresh fighting in the militias Baghdad strongholds.
Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki demanded Sunday that the cleric disband his militia, which waged two uprisings against U.S. troops in 2004, or see his supporters barred from public office.
But al-Sadr spokesman Salah al-Obeidi said al-Sadr has consulted with Iraqs Shiite clerical leadership and they refused that. He did not provide details of the talks.
The official spokesman for al-Sadrs office on Monday denied that Shiite Cleric Muqtada al-Sadr had referred the dissolution of al-Mahdi army to Shiite clerics, describing reports in this regard as inaccurate.
Shiite Cleric Muqtada al-Sadr did not think of dissolving al-Mahdi army, Sheikh Salah al-Ubeidi told Aswat al-Iraq Voices of Iraq (VOI), noting that we have no right to interfere in freezing or dissolving al-Mahdi army because it is an exclusive right of Muqtada al-Sadr.
And finally this:
The influential Iraqi Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr said his clerical advisers, including Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, rejected calls to disband the Mahdi Army.
Salah al-Obaidi, the spokesman for Sadr, said the cleric issued his decision in a statement following a meeting with Sistani and Ayatollah Kazem al-Haeri in Qom, Iran.
The statement reiterated Sadrs call for an end to the apparent politically motivated violence in Iraq by urging all parties to solve their issues through comprehensive dialogue, Voices of Iraq said.
The same spokesperson said Sistani did not want the Sadr thugs disbanded, then denied Sadr had even asked Sistani, and now he is back to saying that Sistani wants them to stay whole.
With the Iraqi government applying pressure to the Sadrist movement and Muqtada al Sadr to disband the Mahdi Army, Iraqs senior Shia cleric has weighed in on the issue. Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the most revered Shia cleric in Iraq, backed the governments position that the Mahdi Army should surrender its weapons and said he never consulted with Sadr on disbanding the Mahdi Army. Instead, the decision to disband the Mahdi Army is Sadrs to make.
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Based on Sadrs changing story I dont put much weight on their version of events. So while Sistani is not telling Sadr to disband directly his statement that the law is the only authority in Iraq is powerful, and if true pretty much seals the fate of Sadr.
Meanwhile this story is quite interesting:
Irans state-run media have de facto confirmed that this was no spontaneous uprising. Rather, Irans Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) tried to seize control of Iraqs second-largest city using local Shiite militias as a Trojan horse.
Tehrans decision to make the gamble was based on three assumptions:
* Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki wouldnt have the courage to defend Basra at the risk of burning his bridges with the Islamic Republic in Iran.
* The international force would be in no position to intervene in the Basra battle. The British, who controlled Basra until last December, had no desire to return, especially if this meant getting involved in fighting. The Americans, meanwhile, never had enough troops to finish off al-Qaeda-in-Iraq, let alone fight Iran and its local militias on a new front.
* The Shiite clerical leadership in Najaf would oppose intervention by the new Iraqi security forces in a battle that could lead to heavy Shiite casualties.
The Iranian plan - developed by Revolutionary Guards Quds (Jerusalem) unit, which is in charge of exporting the Islamic Revolution - aimed at a quick victory. To achieve that, Tehran spent vast sums persuading local Iraqi security personnel to switch sides or to remain neutral.
The hoped-for victory was to be achieved as part of a massive Shiite uprising spreading from Baghdad to the south via heartland cities such as Karbala, Kut and al-Amarah. A barrage of rockets and missiles against the Green Zone in Baghdad and armed attacks on a dozen police stations and Iraqi army barracks in the Shiite heartland were designed to keep the Maliki government under pressure.
There is much more at the link including detailed descriptions of the fighting and the fact that Iran underestimated Maliki. They did not believe he would take the fight to Basra, they gambled .and lost.
Sistani Does Join Maliki And Isolates Sadr
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Bumped to Top, More Updates Below!
I posted the news yesterday that Iraq Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani had basically thrown Mookie Sadr under the bus and sided with the Iraqi government of Maliki, and then waited all day to see any secondary reporting the act. None came but Sadr did have spokesman come out and claim Sistani had told him to keep his Mahdi Army. It seems Sadr lied (and the SurrenderMedia bought it hook-line-sinker and bobber). Bill Roggio has the confirming news, so far the SurrenderMedia is embarrassingly mum:
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And now the SurrenderMedia needs ask itself why it allowed itself to be dupes for a two-bit thug like Sadr. Why did they report propaganda that could not be confirmed. Why did they buy into the implausible, since Sistani has been against the militias for a long time and has been a supporter of the new Iragi government since its creation. Why would the liberal media defy all that history and run with Sadrs cow manure?
Was it to give a boost to the Surrendercrats in Congress? Is our media willing to pass on lies to the American people as fact? Lies promulgated by a thug whose minions are killing US soldiers as we speak? At some point a price must be paid for this kind of support to our enemies, accidental or not.
If the SurrenderMedia and Surrendercrats dont do some hard soul searching on how they are the useful puppets of the killers of our people, then America will do the soul searching and decide what to do about this terribly screwed up situation. We dont need people echoing the lies of murderers of Americans, just to give them more cause to murder more Americans.
In related news Petraeus told Congress the actions against Sadrs Mahdi Militia could take months. Then again the thug could collapse much quicker now that he is clearly working against the Shiite spiritual leaders.
Also, the UK SurrenderMedia is all miffed that Maliki snubbed UK forces when it needed some back up in Basra.
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Update: As we learn more (and ignore the myopic media) we see that the Basra move was, as I said a while back, an effort by Iran to take control of the port city of Basra - something Iran has been trying to do for decades.:
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But the blindfolded media and liberals claim Iran is perfectly reasonable and are not involved in Iraq. In fact, Barack Obama wants to sit down to tea with the Mad Mullahs and Ahmedinejad (Gods messenger, so he claims) and chat about Iraq. No wonder they tried to grab the southern part of Iraq before our elections. H/T to reader Kathie
Update: Make sure to check out the interview with Bill Roggio at Front Page:
FP: So what about the news reports that indicated that the U.S. and the Iraqi Security Forces Basra offensive against Sadr was a failure?
Roggio: The reports of the death of the Iraqi Army in Basrah were widely exaggerated. The Iraqi Army and police met some stiff resistance in the opening days, but the media jumped to call this failure. Prime Minister Maliki did not plan well for the operation and jumped the gun on its execution by months (it was to be carried out in July). An Iraqi Army brigade fresh out of basic training was thrown into the fight and cracked - about 500 troops underperformed or deserted according to the New York Times, and 400 police deserted. But the other estimated 44,500 Iraqi security forces in Basrah held.
The Iraqi command rushed in reinforcements - about 1 Division or 7,000 troops, and by the weekend the Iraqi security forces began to get the upper hand. Then Sadr ordered his Mahdi Army to leave the streets. By the end of the fighting, more than 500 Mahdi fighters were killed, about 1000 wounded and another 300 captured in the fighting in Basrah, Baghdad, and the great South, where the military performed well against the Mahdi Army.
FP: What role is Iran playing? This whole face-off revealed Iranian military intervention in Iraq to be a given, right?
Roggio: To streamline operations in Iraq, Irans Qods Force established a unified command, called the Ramazan Corps, and split Iraq into three roughly geographical regions. I obtained a detailed description of the Ramazan Corps command and control network, storage and distribution facilities, training camps, and ratlines or supply lines into Iraq last fall.
The Ramazan Corps is a military command with senior Qods Force generals in charge. They direct the flow of weapons, cash, and the deadly rockets, mortars, and explosively formed projectiles into the hands of the Special Groups working in Iraq. The Ramazan Corps also brings Iraqi fighters in Iran to train them, and runs training camps inside Iraq as well.
The Times Online just released information that the Ramazan Corps were operating at a tactical command level with the Shiite militias fighting Iraqi security forces during the recent fighting in Basrah. Some were directing operations on the ground. This should come as no surprise to anyone following Iranian activities inside Iraq or have an understanding of the Ramazan Corps. Iran is fighting a thinly veiled, undeclared war against both the Iraqi people and the United States.
IF the news media were truly journalists and not propagandists this news would be headlines across the nation. The view from the region is Sadr and the Mahdi Army are toast - definitely read this one!
The young Shiite leaders sin is that he did not find out from the start, and perhaps still has not found out, how Iran used him to deepen the sectarian divide in Iraq, despite his moderate stance in this respect. His pursuit of revenge from the Baathists, the followers of Saddam, who killed his father and uncle, has turned into an out of control, generalized campaign of sectarian eradication. Irans objective for adopting, arming and financing Al-Sadrs militia was to create a balance of terror with Sunni dissidents seeking to defend their position and interests in the new system. Consequently, the Mahdi Army that grouped fighters from every impoverished region of Iraq, including some criminal gangs, turned into security groups led, controlled, and directed by Iranian intelligence, which took advantage of decades of social and political oppression.
The media and liberal experts really screwed up on this one. How many mulligans do these people get before they are tossed out of the game?
Update: How long can the media hide the truth about how Sistani just threw Sadr to the sharks:
Al-Sistani has a clear opinion in this regard; the law is the only authority in the country, al-Saghier told Aswat al-Iraq Voices of Iraq (VOI).
The top Shiite cleric had not been consulted in establishing al-Mahdi army, so it could not interfere in dissolving it, he added.
Whosoever established the al-Mahdi army has to dissolve it, he underlined.
Sayyed Muqtada al-Sadr established this army and it is only him who has to dissolve it, he explained.
Al-Sistani asked al-Mahdi army to give in weapons to the government, the Shiite official said.
Now, will Sadr do as he was asked by the Grand Ayatollah? H/T Protein Wisdom.
This lacks one other major motivation - Petraeus’ scheduled testimony in DC. Just like Vietnam, Al Quds/Iran/Sadr, etc.. know they will never defeat the US militarily, but if they could embarrass Petraeus and Bush just before the spotlight is on him during his report on Capital Hill, that would give the Defeatocrats the upper hand.
There have been several articles on the issue.
First one was something like - Sadr will consult the Shite Mullahs.
Then it was - Shite Mullahs say to keep militia.
Next came - Ooops. Sadr didn’t really consult with anyone about it.
Now we know why the last one was released - Sistani was going to out Sadr as a Liar - Sistani was not going to be Sadr’s stooge.
The gambit failed. The Iraqi army held, Petraeus held. I actually think Mook will either disband his militia, or continue receiving butt-kicks. He lost 600 in Basra, to 88 for the Iraqi army.
See, that right there....that is a reason to drop some bombs on Tehran.
BIG ones.
Wow :)
Excellent!
Pack it in, Mookie! Nobody likes you any more.
How big? The kind that are measured in thousands of pounds, or the kind that are measured in kilotons?
After what we've all been through the last couple of weeks, I'd be tempted to go for the latter...as long as it would not have a negative impact on the people in Iraq or Afghanistan. Or Kuwait.
Sistani has been consistent about not interjecting himself directly into Iraqi politics. Once again he cajoles, through a third party, but does not speak directly. This is significant. He appears to not want to set himself up as an Iranian style mullah. He has influence but not authority. I think most Americans would be comfortable with religious leadership like that.
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