Phillies: "Libertarians are not conservatives"

Third Party Watch ^ | April 6, 2008 | Unattributed

[BenLurkin]

Exactly.

[bill1952]

No flames from me.

[RKV]

Strawman argument in this case.

[BitBucket]

"Libertarians are not conservatives," Phillies said. "It is an act of fraud, a violation of our party's statement of principles, to lure conservatives to join by lying to them. Claiming our party is 'true conservative' is dishonest, and will wreck our party.

He is having a delusion. When have conservatives ever been lured into the libertarian party? It's the other way around. Libertarians tend to vote conservative - or at least they have tended to do so between wars.

[BitBucket]

This forum is over run with them, pretending to be Conservative. Ayn Rand is quoted here more often than Jesus.

She wasn't a Libertarian. She despised Libertarians - mainly because most of the people she lured into her objectivist movement soon left and moved on to the libertarianism.

[x]

Are you a Phillies Phanatic?

[xjcsa]

Anyone who wants to legislate on social issues, be they socially conservative or liberal, is a socialist and should be kept out of office.

Should rape be legal?

[OmegaMan]

Phillies is correct. If the Bill of Rights doesnt apply to the states then the 2nd Amendment doesnt either. And theres only two or three state constitutions where the RKBA is considered an individual right.

[mysterio]

"Libertarians are not conservatives"

Libertarians are more conservative than the current crop of Republicans.

[ansel12]

“I consider anyone who is conservative economically a true conservative. Anyone who wants to legislate on social issues, be they socially conservative or liberal, is a socialist and should be kept out of office.”

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This is from the FR mission statement.

“As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty.”

Here is a thread that you should take a look at (again, posted by FR’s founder).
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821435/posts?q=1&;page=1#1

[arderkrag]

Rape infringes on civil rights. It is therefore not a moral issue but a legal one. Nice try, though.

[xjcsa]

Rape infringes on civil rights. It is therefore not a moral issue but a legal one. Nice try, though.

How is abortion different?

[arderkrag]

Umm...I never said abortion was. You sure you’re talking to the right person?

[Nipfan]

Precisely. I consider anyone who is conservative economically a true conservative. Anyone who wants to legislate on social issues, be they socially conservative or liberal, is a socialist and should be kept out of office.

If that's that definition of a libertarian then I must be one too.

[freeandfreezing]

Should rape be legal?

Of course not. And no rational interpretation of Libertarian concepts would suggest that any Libertarian principle would ever support such a conclusion.

For a good primer on libertarian concepts I suggest reading the works of the founding fathers of our country. That should provide a clear answer to your question.

[narses]

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The LP is a profoundly hedonistic, self-centered group. It is always about self and sensuality. Legalize abortion, drug use, prostitution, sexual license of any kind including sex with children (they hide that one well, but the believe that childhood ends at the point you are economically self-sufficient) - a total license for self-gratification without regards to others aside from violence.

[arderkrag]

Honestly, that's pretty much what it boils down to. There may be disagreements here and there over whether something is a "social" issue or not (the most recent being abortion), but on the whole, that's what we think. A good illustration is the political compass chart, which places libertarians in the economically conservative but socially apathetic categories. Not that we individually are socially apathetic, but we don't think it's government's job to dictate morality.

[xjcsa]

Umm...I never said abortion was. You sure you’re talking to the right person?

Quite possibly not, although abortion laws are usually categorized as "social issues" legislation, which you criticized. If your statement wasn't meant to include abortion laws, then I'm afraid we don't really disagree ;)

[xjcsa]

Of course not. And no rational interpretation of Libertarian concepts would suggest that any Libertarian principle would ever support such a conclusion.

Yet the guy quoted in this article claims that libertarianism forces us to allow abortion. Is he wrong, or is abortion somehow different from rape?

[carenot]

Yawnnnnnnn....losertarians don't listen to anything other than the radio beams broadcasted into their heads. Trust me...insults work better than reason with these nut jobs.

What do you think of Bob Barr?
What did you used to think to think of him?