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To: DelphiUser; SkyPilot; Colofornian; MHGinTN; Elsie; Godzilla; P-Marlowe; McCoMo; colorcountry; ...
I have a question. Since you mormons believe that the "gospel" was removed from the earth and had to be "restored", why do you keep defending polygamy (AND by association the FLDS) by saying all these old-testament men practiced it, so it's "Biblical" and therefore justified?

Sounds to me, from your argument, like Joseph Smith arranged for the "restoration" of just the parts HE liked best, the ones that gave him power, money (tithing) and women.

2,451 posted on 04/11/2008 7:54:09 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (New apologist mantra..and defense.."love the POLYGAMY sin" but hate the sinner.")
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To: greyfoxx39

Hmmmm looks to me like the ‘restored’ gospel as akin to Mohammed’s gospel. A focus on one man, sexual perversions, polygamy, obsession with amassing virgins for yourself, the abuse of women, blood atonement for those who would dare question ‘the man’....and on and on it goes....


2,452 posted on 04/11/2008 8:01:22 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: greyfoxx39; restornu; DelphiUser

Sex for Salvation: Mormonism’s Greatest Saving Doctrine
(from another site)

Of all the gospel doctrines Joseph Smith established, none received this much attention from God. For God sent an angel to Joseph Smith over a dozen times to make sure he taught and practiced it.

This doctrine had the most saving power over any ordinance, because it guaranteed the salvation of an entire family for only one person’s obedience to it.

That’s right - Joseph Smith taught that only one person in a family needed to obey this doctrine in order to save their entire family. But if they rejected the doctrine, they and their family would be damned.

That’s exactly the offer the Prophet Joseph Smith gave to fourteen year-old Helen Mar Kimball.

Helen wrote:

“Having a great desire to be connected with the Prophet, Joseph, he (my father) offered me to him; this I afterwards learned from the Prophet’s own mouth.”

“My father had but one Ewe Lamb, but willingly laid her upon the altar: how cruel this seemed to my mother whose heartstrings were already stretched until they were ready to snap asunder, for she had already taken Sarah Noon to wife and she thought she had made sufficient sacrifice but the Lord required more.”
- Helen Mar Whitney Journal, Helen Mar Autobiography, Womans Exponent, 1880 and recently reprinted in A Woman’s view.

In fact, Joseph Smith gave Helen only 24 hours to decide on whether or not to marry him. Of this, Helen wrote:

“[my father] left me to reflect upon it for the next twenty four hours. ... I was skeptical - one minute believed, then doubted. I thought of the love and tenderness that he felt for his only daughter, and I knew that he would not cast me off, and this was the only convincing proof That I had of its being right.”

The next morning, 37 year-old Joseph Smith finally appeared himself to explain the “law of Celestial Marriage” and claim his teen bride.

In her memoir, Helen wrote:

“After which he said to me, ‘if you take this step, it will ensure your eternal salvation and exaltation and that of your father’s household and all of your kindred.’ This promise was so great that I willingly gave myself to purchase so glorious a reward.”

Helen also writes about her mother’s reaction to all of this:

“None but God and his angels could see my mother’s bleeding heart - when Joseph asked her if she was willing, she replied ‘If Helen is willing I have nothing more to say.”

“She had witnessed the sufferings of others, who were older and who better understood the step they were taking, and to see her child, who had yet seen her fifteenth summer, following the same thorny path, in her mind she saw the misery which was as sure to come as the sun was to rise and set; but it was hidden from me.”

Helen thought her marriage to Joseph Smith was only dynastic. But to her surprise, it was more. Helen confided to a close friend in Nauvoo:

“I would never have been sealed to Joseph had I known it was anything more than ceremony. I was young, and they deceived me, by saying the salvation of our whole family depended on it.”

What would Mormons do today if the Church still practiced this doctrine? What if a Bishop or Stake President could extend salvation to an entire family by taking one of their teen daughters?

Why can’t Mormons today recognize the moral depravity in Joseph Smith’s actions towards his early followers?

Did angels really force Joseph Smith into behaving like this?


2,454 posted on 04/11/2008 8:07:04 AM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: greyfoxx39

The OT was not the gospel Sunny!:)


2,543 posted on 04/11/2008 6:40:13 PM PDT by restornu ( Pandora's box is being unleashed)
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