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BREAKING NEWS UPDATE: Authorities enter Eldorado-area temple (Fundamentalist LDS cult)
Go San Angelo ^ | 5 April 08 | Paul A. Anthony

Posted on 04/06/2008 5:27:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot

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To: Caramelgal
Just to clarify, these people are not part of the modern LDS. They are a radical splinter group and a closely insulated cult lead by Warren Jeffs that believes that it’s God’s will to force 14 or 15 year old girls into incestuous “marriages” with their uncles or first cousins (or even worse).

Yes, Warren Jeffs is a wack-job pervert, as was his father before him, but he's not a Baptist. Do you think that there might be something in the teachings or in the tradition (or in both) of Mormonism that lends some support to such an abusive way of life?

21 posted on 04/06/2008 6:18:33 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Caramelgal

Just to clarify, these nutjobs are living polygamy as Joseph Smith and Brigham Young instructed.

Lets not whitewash this.


22 posted on 04/06/2008 6:20:35 AM PDT by JRochelle (Voting Obama on May 6.)
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To: omega4179

One would hope so.


23 posted on 04/06/2008 6:21:08 AM PDT by manapua
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To: snarks_when_bored

The life of Joe Smith their prophet.


24 posted on 04/06/2008 6:21:43 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: marktwain

CNN reported that you cannot get married at 15 in Texas, even with parental consent.

This girl is 16 with an 8 month old baby.

That puts her at 14 or 15 when that pervert molested her.


25 posted on 04/06/2008 6:22:38 AM PDT by JRochelle (Voting Obama on May 6.)
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To: Caramelgal
Just to clarify, these people are not part of the modern LDS. They are a radical splinter group and a closely insulated cult lead by Warren Jeffs that believes that it’s God’s will to force 14 or 15 year old girls into incestuous “marriages” with their uncles or first cousins (or even worse).

The Mohhamedans would approve!

26 posted on 04/06/2008 6:23:03 AM PDT by manapua
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To: Pikachu_Dad; marktwain; Constitutionalist Conservative; snarks_when_bored; TLI

Some additional info:

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/05/official-on-children-at-flds-ranch-it-is-not-for/

The girl called 911 more than once, apparently asking for help. She was also 15 when impregnated, and girls under 16 cannot be legally married in Texas, even with parental consent.

Seems to me that there is plenty of reason for authorities to take a look and that it would be unthinkable to ignore that child’s cry for help.

“Establish justice . . . promote the general welfare, secure the blessings of liberty,” and all that.


27 posted on 04/06/2008 6:26:33 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: marktwain

Doing the math, the child has an “approximately’ eight month old son. Calculating normal human gestation of nine months this infers that she was roughly 14.5 years when she became pregnant. Pretty damn hard to ignore, especially after she notified authorities of her situation.


28 posted on 04/06/2008 6:26:45 AM PDT by fuzzthatwuz
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To: SkyPilot

What? No flammable tear gas? No machine gunning people attempting to flee the flames?


29 posted on 04/06/2008 6:28:19 AM PDT by RJR_fan (Winners and lovers shape the future. Whiners and losers TRY TO PREDICT IT.)
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To: livius

“But I bet no Muslim compound is ever going to be raided, although I’m sure this goes on at those places, too.”

Nope, won’t happen. Where I live there have been thousands of Mohammedans brought in since 2000 by Catholic Charities at the invitation of the local heretic RC bishop who has convinced his people that they will get a “bigger mansion in heaven” if they embrace the Mohammedans. Most of the men have 4 wives, each of whom a pregnant. The Mohammedan population is supported by welfare and agitation by nuns, priests and various RC limp wrists and pols ever watchful for the Mohammedans’ “rights”. The rest of us, of course, get to pay for all this.

You know, L, we don’t say that the floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops for nothing!


30 posted on 04/06/2008 6:28:44 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: bonfire

You reckon?


31 posted on 04/06/2008 6:29:04 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: SkyPilot

It’s not a temple.

According to Federal guidelines, it must now be referred to as a “compound”.


32 posted on 04/06/2008 6:29:10 AM PDT by djf
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To: Caramelgal

thanks for the informative clarification. Let’s be fair to all LDS people and respect their religion. This bizzarre cult is a big reason that Rommney is not electable. It makes Americans queasy,not saying that is fair..but it is reality.


33 posted on 04/06/2008 6:30:00 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: SkyPilot

Is it just me or does this remind you of the raid against David Koresh and the Branch Davidians back during Janet Reno’s days?

Hmmm, a 16 year old girl claims to be forcefully married to a 50-year old man and bore him a child. And this results in the massive police and child protection raid, where hundreds are arrested and seized?

And this is worse than six and nine year old girls being forcefully married to 45 year old men (like Aisha was to Mohammed) that is still going on to thousands of Muslim girls today?

This is worse than drug dealers addicting, raping, and forcing into prostitution tens of thousands of teenagers and preteenagers every year in the US alone?

Why the selective outrage? Why doesn’t the government act the same against the polygamist Muslims and the drug dealers?

Frankly, Warren Jeff and his fundamentalist Mormon group sicken me - I’ve no respect for people like that. Still, this selectivism, where only white Christian loonies are the bad guys, should be bothersome to all.


34 posted on 04/06/2008 6:32:26 AM PDT by Edward Watson (Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
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To: fuzzthatwuz
“Doing the math, the child has an “approximately’ eight month old son. Calculating normal human gestation of nine months this infers that she was roughly 14.5 years when she became pregnant. Pretty damn hard to ignore, especially after she notified authorities of her situation.”

As I recall from Waco, a 14 year old could marry in Texas, if they had their parents permission. I don't have the statute, but in an investigation of this scope, where a powerful agency that is know for its abuses targets an unpopular religious group, I expect the reporter to site statute and name judges that issued warrants.

The tacit encouragement of the MSM for warrentless searches and abuse of power by agencies that they champion, such as CPS, is part of how respect for the Constitution is eroded.

35 posted on 04/06/2008 6:34:24 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Caramelgal; All
Just to clarify more the media continue to play ignorant but for over a year now the The of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has been in communication with the Media.

So they are aware that the FLDS is not a break away nor excommunicated and is not in any way related to or by any means to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, this FLDS, is a rogue organization, is a Fake LDS!

I pray reasonable minds will remember just like our struggle in our Conservative Efforts that the media many times ignores our side or maligns us, and they apply the same brush the the LDS!

Sad but true there are freepers who know better but take delight in posting this confusion.

36 posted on 04/06/2008 6:36:20 AM PDT by restornu
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To: TLI
It is possible for a 16 year old to be legally married to a 50 year old in Texas, I believe.

Regardless of the legal age of marriage in TX, the child is most likely NOT the “first” wife who would be the only legal wife, and therefore any “marriage” is bigamy. Any sexual congress therefore would be statutory rape.

37 posted on 04/06/2008 6:37:29 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (An "Inconvenient Truth".....Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: marktwain
It is possible for a 16 year old to be legally married to a 50 year old in Texas,

Found another version that is the same but has the permitted age at 16.

§ 2.102. PARENTAL CONSENT FOR UNDERAGE APPLICANT. (a) If an applicant is 16 years of age or older but under 18 years of age, the county clerk shall issue the license if parental consent is given as provided by this section.

Of cours, this only applies to American citizens, not illegal aliens...

38 posted on 04/06/2008 6:38:30 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Edward Watson
Hmmm, a 16 year old girl claims to be forcefully married to a 50-year old man and bore him a child. And this results in the massive police and child protection raid, where hundreds are arrested and seized?

Do you honestly believe a 16 year old girl really wanted to be married to a 50 year old man?

39 posted on 04/06/2008 6:39:42 AM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: restornu

I’m sure that many of the people of this religious group are very fine people. I was taken aback to see the Baptist Church buses going onto the compound. The authorities should have used government buses like school buses or at least covered up the Baptist signs.


40 posted on 04/06/2008 6:40:52 AM PDT by yorkie01
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