Posted on 04/06/2008 5:27:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot
In the eyes of the LDS church I was approved and ordained to be a High Priest. Whether or not I'm a High Priest in the eyes of God is certainly a debatable issue. But in the eyes of the LDS church I'm considered a High Priest. However I'm guessing that if certain LDS leaders were to read this thread they might decide to have me excommunicated for "apostasy". Excommunication has proven to be one of the church's ways of silencing individuals who won't coverup secret abominable actions of church leaders. For example, when Joseph Smith took young girls as plural wives (just as was happening at the YFZ ranch near El Dorado, Texas) it was technically against the laws of Illinois, against the Doctrine and Covenants and against the Book of Mormon. Well he plagiarized the wordings/symbols/rituals of some Masonic ceremonies to create a ceremony called the Endowment that setup a secretive circle of LDS members who would be "ready" to accept the new and everlasting covenant of eternal plural marriage without worry over whether or not they'd think about whether or not what they're doing was against the laws of the land and against the laws of the church's scriptures. Well one of the counselors in the First Presidency named William Law was outraged by Joseph Smith doing these activities in secret and his marrying 15 year old girls when he was more than 2 decades older than them. But Joseph Smith was able to discredit William Law within most LDS circles by having him excommunicated. Maybe the LDS church will eventually do the same to me in order to protect the good reputation of the church that they are working hard to establish through cunning marketing programs.
You wrote: Were you aware that when Joseph Smith took his second wife he violated the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants prohibiting polygamy, in violated of the 12th article of faith, and was contrary to Jacob 2:27-30?
My response: I wasn’t aware of this issue BEFORE I wrote my last big tithing check to the LDS church. But since I became aware of this issue they have only received a token small payment from me and they only got that payment because my wife insisted that we give them some money because she believed that the LDS church’s Council on the Disposition of Tithes and Offerings was God’s only authorized financial comptroller organization on earth. Frankly I think it’s time for the top leadership to acknowledge the truth on this issue and to stop sending out missionaries who they know will tell lies about the church’s polygamy history because they will be clueless and under tremendous pressure to find people to get baptized and assimilated into Mormonism.
On the contrary, there's plenty of evidence that the Israelites were NEVER in the US and that the Native Americans were descended from the Oriental culture.
There's DNA evidence that disproves the whole American Indians are descended from the Israelites belief. I don't have time to find it now, but I'm sure there's a FR thread I saw addressing it. I'll look later.
I've got another message crossed with this. Thanks for this reply. How did you find out about this?
I applaud you sir for your honesty. However, giving all the lies and deceptions down from the beginning of the LDS which you have just affirmed to be so, aren’t you the least bit concerned that this may be evidence that Smith was NOT of God since God doesn’t lie?
Bring it on!! It's a no-win for the church to have someone report me. It'll only bring them more unwanted publicity and scrutiny. First of all the local Bishop and Stake President know that they are forbidden to try to contact me for any individual interviews/discussions unless they first get me official answers to a few questions. Otherwise they risk personal legal liability for defamation/harassment lawsuits. Secondly, I doubt they really want to engage in a discussion with any sunlight on it about Joseph Smith's history with polygamy and marrying young girls. Thirdly, though I value my church membership, I value being honest about the religion even more. The church claims to be the most true and honest church on the planet and I intend to keep reminding them that they have a long way to go to live up to such a reputation. All my family knows how I feel. And all the friends I care to keep in frequent touch with know how I feel too. When they bother me with ideas of changing my point-of-view about honesty then it shuts them up quickly when I say, "on exactly what subject is it OK for the Brethren to deceive?"
According to who!
I will pray for you and your family.
It must have been shocking to find out some of that stuff.
Great work.
I am in awe of your courage.
May God Eternal bless you and your family. You are the first LDS person (and I know you are in high standing) to say something like this. I am actually very humbled by what you said, and I stand in great admiration of your right now.
Blessings to you and yours sir.
Genesis 1:1
Categorically UNTRUE.
been butting heads with him for a while now. Have a pretty good ammo locker established to deal with his challenges. Jim Rob, probably dreads the hard drive and band width we've chewed up in the past with each other LOL
I’m not ignoring Resty, I was away from a computer for a couple of hours. I have answered EVERY one of Resty’s questions, she has answered NONE of mine.
As one FR poster just asked me in FM, I wonder how long it will be until the LDS posters here start badgering you to “do the honest thing, live by your convictions and quit the LDS Church.”
They (the Mormons Freepers) still ask me to resign all the time, like it is any of their business.
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