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there are a million reasons why it would be a disaster for either obama or hillary to become president and i'm sure you have heard them all so i don't need to recite them.

if that nightmare scenario happened, THAT would be the real sacrifice.

i can't speak for you, but i love my country more than i love my 'conservative principles'

i can't speak for you, but i love my country more than i love my 'conservative principles'

Then you will continue to slip into the incremental socialist dogma the GOP has been descending into for years. There comes a time when you have to draw a line in the sand and say no more socialism at all otherwise each election the rationalization becomes well we can always vote for a conservative in the next election. The end result is a conservatism never advances while socialism continues to march on. Careful what you wish for it might come true.

... there are a million reasons why it would be a disaster for either obama or hillary to become president and i'm sure you have heard them all so i don't need to recite them.

By all means, please recite at least the main ones. I've seen a million posts from people who are on their knees to Politics of Fear and think that Obama or Hillary would be virtually and immediately omnimpotent. I've thought it through and come to the conclusion that both would in reality likely be virtually and immediately pariahs. I thought as much about Hillary when all the Politics of Fear Republicans here were yelping about how she was unbeatable, and I was right. I maintain it still. This nation is resilient enough to weather a fractured and screaming Democrat party. That so many Democrats say they'll vote for McCain first is a pretty bright red flag.

On the other hand, say a McCain-Romney ticket won and McCain went off the radar shortly into his first term for psych or medical reasons (which is what I think would happen), we'd have four and probably eight years of Big Daddy Republican leadership in state-run medicine, federal regulation for global warming, surrendering in the name of "gay rights" the true rights of individuals to discriminate as they please against people they think are homosexual, and on and on. Democrats look good for "reaching across the aisle" to support the Republicans, Republicans lose seats in congress, voters become disheartened and dissipate out of Republican ranks and out of its future pool of conservatives -- Americans as they become older and wiser. A very possible eight years of that!

You talk about a nightmare scenario, that's it.