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Study: Wind power to Texas cities may cost $6 billion
Houston Chronicle ^ | April 3, 2008, 11:51PM | tom.fowler@chron.com

Posted on 04/04/2008 4:58:44 AM PDT by cbkaty

Hooking up the state's largest cities to rapidly expanding wind power projects in West Texas could cost as much as $6.3 billion in the coming years, the state's grid operator says.

In a report this week to the state Public Utility Commission, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which oversees most of the state's power grid, listed five options for getting wind-generated electricity to the populous areas that need it. Even the least ambitious would cost almost $3 billion.

Texas is the largest wind power producer in the country, with more than 4,400 megawatts of capacity installed — about 2 percent of the state's total power capacity, according to the American Wind Energy Association.

With large swaths of West Texas considered ideal for wind development and state and federal incentives encouraging such projects, that capacity could grow to as much as 24,000 megawatts in the coming decade. One megawatt can power about 800 homes.

Multibillion dollar transmission projects are not unprecedented in Texas. A five-year transmission planning report published in December by ERCOT projected $3 billion in new projects through 2012 — not including the wind-related projects.

Long-distance transmission costs account for about 6 percent of a residential customer's monthly bill, according to ERCOT. Most of the bill goes to power generation, with the rest to retailers and power distribution.

The cost of the transmission lines from West Texas would be spread among all the state's electric customers, even those in communities far from the wind farms.

Wind energy proponents say, however, that the projects would still benefit the entire state, even in cities that don't get their power from those projects.

"At the end of the day whether you buy your power from Reliant, Gexa or Green Mountain, those retailers will see lower cost options in the wholesale market because of more wind," said Jolly Hayden, vice president of transmission development for FPL Energy, the largest wind power operator in the state. "It will put downward pressure on prices, not to mention the clean air benefits."

But wind has its shortcomings. In late February ERCOT had to take emergency measures to avoid rolling blackouts when a cold front led to a drop in wind speeds in much of the state and a decrease in power output.

It was later determined some fossil fuel-fired power plants worsened the problem by failing to meet their promised output.

ERCOT this week said more wind power could be safely incorporated into the grid with better wind forecasting tools and fuel-fired backup power plants.

Down to 5 options: For the transmission study, ERCOT considered hundreds of options before narrowing it down to five possibilities.

The least expensive option would cost $2.95 billion and calls for 5,150 megawatts of new wind power that would require about 1,600 miles of new power lines.

The most expensive would cost $6.38 billion, could handle 17,956 megawatts of new wind power and calls for 3,000 miles of new lines.

That option includes a 360-mile, 2,000-megawatt direct current line that would tie into a substation in western Harris County. Direct current transmission towers are much smaller than the more common alternating current high voltage transmission towers, meaning they often cost less and can be built more easily.

Direct current typically is most useful over long stretches where lines aren't tapped regularly for local use, which requires conversion back to alternating current.

The Texas Public Utility Commission is expected to review the report in the coming months and recommend a particular plan. Power companies could then apply for permits to construct the lines, which could take up to five years, according to a PUC spokesman.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: energy; wind; windpower
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Yesterday a psoter was concerned about the cost of distribution and resale...the current cost is approximately 6% of the monthly residential bill.
1 posted on 04/04/2008 4:58:44 AM PDT by cbkaty
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With large swaths of West Texas considered ideal for wind development and state and federal incentives encouraging such projects, that capacity could grow to as much as 24,000 megawatts in the coming decade.

Them Texans are gonna use up all the wind before it gets to Oklahoma.

2 posted on 04/04/2008 5:00:49 AM PDT by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: cbkaty

FLP, which the Comical doesn’t bother to identify, is Florida Light and Power. Texas missed the boat by not developing its own wind energy company, but you just can’t get state fossils married to fossil fuel to think outside that tattered box.


3 posted on 04/04/2008 5:05:03 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: cbkaty

related:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1996261/posts


4 posted on 04/04/2008 5:19:47 AM PDT by xcamel (Forget the past and you're doomed to repeat it.)
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To: cbkaty

Learn something new every day. I didn’t even know utilities had DC transmission lines.


5 posted on 04/04/2008 5:20:25 AM PDT by saganite
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To: cbkaty
"...Hooking up the state's largest cities to rapidly expanding wind power projects in West Texas could cost as much as $6.3 billion in the coming years...,"

We can consult with Bill Clinton about the cost of doing nothing...

:-\

6 posted on 04/04/2008 5:24:44 AM PDT by Does so (...against all enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign...)
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To: saganite
They are not common, but easy to identify.

Two sets of conductors instead of three.


7 posted on 04/04/2008 5:40:15 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Texas has become so wind dependent that on February 28th a weather front creating doldrum conditions caused power cuts to home and businesses. article
8 posted on 04/04/2008 6:06:56 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: kittymyrib
FLP, which the Comical doesn’t bother to identify, is Florida Light and Power. Texas missed the boat by not developing its own wind energy company, but you just can’t get state fossils married to fossil fuel to think outside that tattered box.

If they mean the Florida company, and I think they do, it's Florida Power and Light, FPL not FLP.

There may be a FLP but probably not.

9 posted on 04/04/2008 6:09:28 AM PDT by billva
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To: kittymyrib
FLP, which the Comical doesn’t bother to identify, is Florida Light and Power.

No, it is FLP Energy. They are headquartered in Florida but do business in 25 different states. The largest piece of their generation is in the Central US. Natural Gas is their largest energy source.

http://www.fplenergy.com/about/contents/about_us.shtml

10 posted on 04/04/2008 6:20:55 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: RoadKingSE

You haven’t heard?

The wind blows so hard in Texas because Oklahoma sucks!! LOL, old Texas joke. Just kidding Okies.


11 posted on 04/04/2008 6:22:07 AM PDT by biff
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To: Uncledave

ping


12 posted on 04/04/2008 6:22:58 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK, AND I USE IT TOO!)
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To: cbkaty; RedStateRocker; Dementon; eraser2005; Calpernia; DTogo; Maelstrom; Yehuda; babble-on; ...
Renewable Energy Ping

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13 posted on 04/04/2008 6:26:11 AM PDT by Uncledave
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To: The Great RJ

Those events are becoming more and more predictable which allows other sources to be made available.


14 posted on 04/04/2008 6:32:27 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK, AND I USE IT TOO!)
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To: The Great RJ
Texas has become so wind dependent that on February 28th a weather front creating doldrum conditions caused power cuts to home and businesses.

You are so correct...but I have faith that the effects of too much wind or too little wind can be overcome....it is such an obvious issue.

15 posted on 04/04/2008 6:45:25 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty
Wind power to Texas cities may cost $6 billion

At this rate, for the cost of the Bear Sterns giveaway, they could have funded the entire Gulf Coast.

16 posted on 04/04/2008 7:08:40 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: cbkaty

They are overcome. We have power plants that don’t depend on wind and they must be kept in operating condition to run when there is too little wind. It should be added to the cost of wind generation since they must be backed up on traditionally fueled plants.


17 posted on 04/04/2008 7:09:18 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: saganite

What massive installation do they use to convert back to ac and what are the losses?


18 posted on 04/04/2008 7:22:11 AM PDT by Boblo
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To: Boblo

Here is an example. The economics work if it is a large amount of power over a long distance with very few tap points of delivery.

Siemens Commissions Another High Voltage DC Transmission System In China
http://www.poweronline.com/content/news/article.asp?docid=67a9136b-eddb-45c0-bed8-e17ddc806936&VNETCOOKIE=NO


19 posted on 04/04/2008 7:30:18 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Boblo
The cost of the transmission lines from West Texas would be spread among all the state's electric customers, even those in communities far from the wind farms.

so let me get this right. I live in dallas and will not get a single Kwh of this wind energy but i have to pay extra on my bill so the cesspool of Houston can get power. Some where there is a liberal thinking this sh!t up.

20 posted on 04/04/2008 7:32:23 AM PDT by JDinAustin (Austinite in the Big D)
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