[robertpaulsen]

"and the new concentration on enforcing victimless crimes"

I said, that didn't happen until the mid-70's. If the murder rate increased before then, it was for other reasons.

"Between 1964 and 1970 the homicide rate doubled from 5 per 100,000 to 10 per 100,000, where it has remained, with minor fluctuations, until today"

"Today" being 1989. Well, from 1989 to 2005, the homicide rate dropped back down to around 5 per 100,000. Go figure.

[marktwain]

“Today” being 1989. Well, from 1989 to 2005, the homicide rate dropped back down to around 5 per 100,000. Go figure.”

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A lot happened since 1989, including the major increase in the number of states with Concealed Carry Permits. It appears that about 10 % of the decrease has been due to concealed carry.

What is also interesting is that we seem to be stuck at the 5/100,000 figure, when it was 1/100,000 back before WWI.