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To: DuncanWaring; HiJinx; gubamyster
"We didn't cross the border," the revered immigrant and farm worker advocate told an enthusiastic crowd of mostly college students. "The border crossed us."

Toro mierda.

"The True History of the Southwest, 101"

The amount of historical idiocy and fallacies surrounding the history of the Southwest is staggering, chief among them the "Aztlan" fairy tales. What's the truth? How did the Spanish Europeans conquer the Southwest? The "conquistadores" (that means "conquerors") did it with the lance, and the lash.

For example, in 1541 Coronado entered present-day New Mexico (which included present-day Arizona during the Spanish era) searching for the "lost cities of gold." One of his first actions upon meeting the natives was to burn 100s of them alive in their dwellings, for not handing over suspected horse thieves. That is how Spain conquered the natives of the present US Southwest--not with hugs and kisses. It was certainly no love-fest between long-lost brown-skinned soul-mates, as it is often portrayed today by the delusional Aztlaners, who spin the "new bronze race of Mestizos" toro-mierda.

By 1821, Mexico City was strong enough to overthrow even more decrepit and ineffectual Spanish rule. However, the distant provinces of the current U.S. Southwest were far beyond the reach of the authority of the independent but strife-torn government of Mexico City. These distant northern provinces received neither military protection nor needed levels of trade from the south. Under Spanish rule, trade with the USA was forbidden, but at least Spain provided trade and Army protection from hostile Indians. Under Mexican abandonment and neglect, the Southwest received neither trade nor protection from Mexico City.

For example, Comanches and Apaches ran rampant in the 1830s in this power vacuum created by Mexican neglect, burning scores of major ranches that had been active for hundreds of years and massacring their inhabitants. Mexico City could neither defend nor keep the allegiance of its nominal subjects in these regions. Nor did it provide needed levels of trade to sustain the prior Spanish-era standard of living. Mexican governmental influence atrophied, withered and died at the same time that American pathfinders were opening up new routes into the region.

Increasingly, a growing United States of America was making inroads into the Southwest, via ships into California, and via gigantic wagon trains of trade goods over the Santa Fe Trail from St. Louis. The standard of living of the SPANISH in these provinces subsequently increased enormously, which is why they did not support Mexico City in the 1846-48 war. In fact, the Spanish-speaking inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER considered themselves "Mexicans" at all, ever. They went, in their own eyes, from SPANISH directly to AMERICAN. To this very day, if you want a punch in the nose, just call an Hispanic native of New Mexico a "Mexican!"

So how long did Mexico City have even nominal jurisdiction (in their eyes) over the American Southwest? For only 25 years, during which they had no effective control, and the area slipped backwards by every measure until the arrival of the Americans. The SPANISH inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER transferred their loyalty to Mexico City, because all they received from the chaotic Mexican government was misrule, neglect, and unchecked Indian raids.

Since then, how long has the area been under firm American control? For 150 continuous years, during which time the former Spanish inhabitants of the region, now American citizens, have prospered beyond the wildest dreams of the Mexicans still stuck in Mexico. To compare the infrastructure, roads, schools, hospitals etc of the two regions is to understand the truth. The Mexican government has been mired in graft, corruption, nepotism and chaos from the very start until today. The ordinary Mexican peons have been trampled and abused, while only the super-rich elites have thrived. This is why millions of Mexicans want to escape from Mexico today, to enjoy the benefits of living in America that they can never hope to obtain in Mexico.

And because today Mexico is a corrupt third-world pest-hole, (despite having more millionaires and billionaires than Great Britain), we are now supposed to let any Mexican from Chiapas, Michoacan or Yucatan march into the American Southwest, and make some "historical claim" of a right to live there?

From where does this absurd idea spring?

At what point in history did Indians and Mestizos from Zacatecas or Durango stake a claim on the American Southwest? Neither they nor their ancestors ever lived for one single day in the American Southwest. The Spanish living in the Southwest in 1846 stayed there, and became Americans by the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. There were no Spanish inhabitants of the Southwest who were marched to the border and driven into Mexico. It didn't happen. The SPANISH in the Southwest welcomed American citizenship, which brought stability, protection from Indian raids, and a vast increase in their standard of living with the increase in trade.

In summary, NO current inhabitants of Mexico have ANY claim on even one single inch of the Southwest!

NOT ONE citizen of Mexico is sneaking into the USA to reclaim property their ancestors were deprived of, NOT ONE.

They are criminal invaders and colonizers, pure and simple.

It's time Americans learned the true history, as a counter to the prevalent Aztlaner fairy tales.

23 posted on 03/29/2008 8:21:08 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Now, That’s a post!


26 posted on 03/29/2008 8:26:52 PM PDT by ansel12 (If your profit margin relies on criminality to suppress wages, then you deserve to be out .)
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To: Travis McGee

The ironic thing about all this “Aztlan” silliness is that 1% of the Mexican population, tall light-skinned descendents of the conquistadores, is rich beyond the wildest dreams of the other 99%, descendents of the indigenous population.

It would make far more sense for the peons in Mexico to revolt and run off their ruling class, rather than trying to turn this country into the third-world dungheap they came from.

The end result of that would probably ultimately be a hostile border, but defending that would be cheaper than subsidizing the 20+ million of them that are here now.


35 posted on 03/29/2008 9:05:09 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee

BTTT!!!!!


66 posted on 03/29/2008 11:32:29 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Vote for my German Shepherds!!!! They're smarter than what's running!!)
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To: Travis McGee
Excellent summary. For further proof of your account, google a list of the people who died at the Alamo fighting for the Texas side. It includes people with Hispanic names.
69 posted on 03/30/2008 5:38:09 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: Travis McGee

You make a lot of excellent points.

It reminds me of when I did some reading about the history of slavery in the US. We get blamed for the slave trade, but only 10% of the cross-Atlantic slaves came to the US - the other 90% went to the Caribbean or South America. Only 4 years after winning independence, the US Constitution was signed, putting a 20 year limit on importing slaves.

Mexico owned, but did not control, the part of the US where I now live for only 25 years. For over 150 years, the US has owned it and sought to control it...with significant success until recently.

And the difference between the US and Mexico isn’t that the US exploited Mexico. Mexico’s problem is that they have never adopted the freedoms and capitalism of the USA. If they adopted our culture, they wouldn’t have any economic reason to migrate here.


75 posted on 03/30/2008 7:19:08 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Let's win Congress - the Presidency is lost!)
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To: Travis McGee; ansel12

Hitler’s posthumous revenge.


91 posted on 03/30/2008 8:39:04 AM PDT by semantic
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