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To: jimmyray

I find it telling that you first accuse me of being an Origenist and now a Gnostic.

Origen was perhaps the greatest foe of the Gnostics, and his refutation of them was complete, as is my admiration for his reasoning in that refutation.

(Actually, my REAL hero is William Blake.)


171 posted on 03/27/2008 9:11:09 PM PDT by shibumi (".....panta en pasin....." - Origen)
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To: shibumi
I find it telling that you first accuse me of being an Origenist and now a Gnostic.

My apologies. I try to go to great lengths not to offend in what I write and say, and labeling people can be the greatest expression of prejudice and narrow-minded intolerance. Again, if I came across in that way, I retract.

The alegorization and spiritualization of scripture, especially in terms of PRDS-like processes, can lead to gnosticism in that the PRD are diminished in favor of the Sod, as in the case of the spies report on the promised land as "flowing with milk and honey".

"Rabbi Rochelle Robbins argues convincingly that milk and honey are both feminine and sexual symbols, as is the word 'zavat' which might be better translated as 'oozing,' and usually appears in the context of sexual and body emissions and the like. It is certainly true that the words city and country, are both feminine, even though the rules of Hebrew grammar would suggest the contrary. I can't present her entire argument here, but she presents a strong case for what it means that the land is 'feminized.' (Note our use of phrases such as 'virgin territory, Mother nature'). Robbins' analysis asks us to reconsider what conquering the land represents. Suffice it say, her feminist analysis adds a new layer to the phrase's meaning. http://www.kolel.org/pages/5764/ekev.html

What can one say but WOW, I never saw that in the Torah!

173 posted on 03/27/2008 9:26:25 PM PDT by jimmyray
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