Posted on 03/25/2008 9:43:10 AM PDT by indcons
>>The important thing is that we have been respectful of one another even though we have a point of disagreement.<<
Yes, and I learned something very important about “This Constitution” vs. “The Constitution” in the Supremacy section.
I think we agree about the most important thing — that at least on something as fundamental as criminal cases, the “World Court’s” rulings cannot contradict “This Constitution,” but the elites are not going to give up trying to undermine our sovereignty.
Nope. It is never equal. Who voted for our SC Chief Justice is a striking difference.
No, you are reading the case too broadly. Look at it again. They talk about different kinds of treaties. The result may be quite different in cases where the treaty is self-executing.
You're right, which is why we need to be so vigilant whenever a treaty is up for ratification.
Thank you so much for this
update. Thank God for Roberts!
In most cases, the proper vote on a treaty is 'no', although there are a few that may have merit.
Just as any American entering a foreign country illegally still has his civil rights in America, the rights he must deal with first in order to exercise those rights are his rights in the country whose laws he became suddenly reliant upon. Definitely two entirely different lists of rights! Should he get lucky and be in a country that allows that ‘call to the US Embassy’ he may get off eventually, otherwise, he gets to play the Hanoi Hilton game! We probably all tend to agree with you that if an illegal alien says he’s mexican, he’ll get a call to the Mexican Embassy/consulate/whatever the nearest option offers. Pretty sure we all agree on that. So some of us aren’t sure where the demarcation line exists in felonies v misdemeanors on that call...and criminal rights of foreigners in general! Much of what this thread offers is ‘opinion’, not fact.
IMO, any foreignor should have the right to call their embassy when arrested in a foreign country. It’s not so much a problem here where we would provide a court appointed attorney to any scum, but there are a lot of shiiteholes in the world where you go into the hole and never come out.
My concern is how Americans will be treated around the world, not how others are treated here, which is always decent. We’ve lost the moral and sometimes legal high ground when we treat foreignors here differently than how we demand Americans be treated abroad.
Even in the shiiholes, Americans entering with Visas are treated with the utmost respect (tho' why an American with decent pedigree would want to travel to some of those 'shiiholes' is beyond me)!
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