Posted on 03/22/2008 7:55:37 PM PDT by Bokababe
The irony is that we had an opportunity to work with the Russians, we didn’t. We shouldn’t be crying foul when we poked the bear with a stick and it turned around and bit us.
Way to go bushbots.
Start there.
The Jihadists in Kosovo have destroyed over 200 Christian churches, monasteries, and cemeteries.
No Christian can support those action, but many who claim to be Christians step forward to support Jihad.
U.S. analyst: Recognition "not as expected"
23 March 2008 | 12:35 | Source: VOA, Tanjug
WASHINGTON -- The recognition of Kosovo's unilateral declaration is not going as expected, an independent U.S. analyst says.
This, John Zavales told the Voice of America, comes despite Washington's "international lobbying".
Zavales told the VOA that the protests in Belgrade and in northern Kosovo indicated that Kosovo's unilateral independence would cause instability in Serbia, Kosovo and the region.
"All in all, perhaps just about 50 countries will recognize Kosovo, out of the 192 UN members, which is not even one-third, and this certainly is not significant support, despite U.S. international lobbying for the independence of Kosovo," Zavales was quoted.
Zavales said that the unilateral declaration will have consequences on the secessionist movements in the world, and quoted Spain's concerns over the Basque region, and the concerns of Turkey, Iraq and Syria over their Kurdish minority.
"It is interesting that just a day after recognizing Kosovo's independence, Turkey sent thousands of troops to northern Iraq and implemented an operation against Kurdish separatists and rebels, which the United States supported," Zavales said, and added that "there are also the cases of Nagorno Karabakh, Abkhasia and South Ossetia".
"So, if the goal of the Western policy was to deconstruct the concept of statehood, reform the idea of sovereignty and create semi-states, then the support to Kosovo's independence may be interpreted as success, since from now on there will be countries which some states will recognize and some will not," Zavales concluded.
Actually, it is you who is bucking the system here, because the international court absolved Serbia of responsibility for the Srebrenica incident you are citing. That's fact. But, hey, "Greenberg, iceberg, what's the difference?"
2. "The Serbian government has presently announced its support for China’s crackdown against Tibet."
Serbia is a small country caught in the middle of games by the Great Powers. Her first choice was to turn West, but the West has repeatedly smacked her down and humiliated her, because the Administration continually plays "let's kick Russia in the Serbia". That stupid policy was bound to have repercussions. It forced Serbia to turn elsewhere for support. China supports Serbia's territorial integrity in the UN Security Council, could Serbia do any less for China even if she wanted to?
and here we go again about Silvertown.
How convinient that you can always take Srebrenica out of magician hat anytime you don`t have arguments on a completely different subject.
So how amusing for you would be Carla Del Ponte` book, “The Hunt”, to be published in Italy on April 3. The former Hague Tribunal Chief Prosecutor states that, during investigations into war crimes committed by the Kosovo Liberation Army, KLA, against Serbs and other non-Albanians, the prosecutor’s office was informed that persons who disappeared during the Kosovo conflict were used in organ smuggling operations.
“Over the years, we have learned that a number of kidnapped Kosovo Serb girls and women have been used as sex slaves, kept under the lock and key in the dark, moldy cellars of Albanian bar and brothel owners, underfed, repeatedly raped and beaten, until they are deemed no longer useful and killed like dogs.
“There were also reports in the Serbian media about Kosovo Serb boys and men being forced to work in unsecured, illegal private mines, but with uncooperative UNMIK and indifferent KFOR (NATO) no investigation was ever initiated, and Serbian families of the Kosovo-Metohia missing are still without answers.
A Bloodcurdling Revelation in Del Ponte’s Book
“Now, however, the much discussed Carla del Ponte’s book ‘The Hunt’ offers a harrowing detail, revealing why have Serbian men been kidnapped throughout Kosovo province during past years instead of being killed on the spot, as is the usual KLA treatment for all non-Albanians, especially those of Serbian ethnicity: because they were used as a livestock for organ harvesting in the illegal trade with human organ transplants.”
http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2008/03/harrowing-truth.html
“Big fact that makes a difference between Serbs and Albanians:
Most Serbs have accepted the fact that a part of their nation commited attrocities against a lot of the ex YU nations. I for one, think that all the Serbs that have been pointed as suspects should go on trial and try and defend themselfs...WE sent Milosevic to THE Hague, even he did a lot of bad things to Serbs as well...
On the other hand we have ALBANIANS who think and are sure that not one single Albanian has ever commited any crime against anyone...They don’t even want to admit that the KLA killed Albanians that refused to join the KLA and those Albanians were considered as traitors...You still worship Taci, Ceku, Haradinaj and Jasari (just to mention a few) even they are the worst of the criminals. And you still think Haradinaj is a saint even he is the only one who ended up in The Hague...
Regarding Madamme Del Ponte, it is now obvious, that once that she is not the Chief Prosecutor of the ICTY she can tell the truth. I can hardly wait to read her book, because I’m sure I’ll find out of all the deals with the Serbian government on the Mladic case (and he should be at The Hague as well)...
And why this case of human organs trafficking was dropped? Probably because no one from UNMIK (and from the article of the other day we know why) wanted to help or were given orders not to help.
The Albanians should think of one thing: while most of them do not even have a job and live in really poor conditions, how does Taci live? And were does his money come from? Aren’t you pissed that some of them live like kings but the mayority don’t even have electricity 24 hours a day? This is what they should be worried about...
The more you defend them, the more we all know is that Del Ponte is right...”
“Serbian people have accepted its role in Srebrenica and President Tadic has appolagised for it...
It does not mean a lot to the family of the victims, and it will stay written in history of Serbia as its darkest moment and stain...
but at least we do not live in DENIAL...”
>I think the author explicitly calls for closer Russian >consultation
So what? Negotiations with Serbia should have indeed been pursued, and Russia has historic ties with Serbia. Negotiations with Serbia would have indeed inevitably included Russia, I’m afraid.
>Bush bad
Actually, it sounded to me like he blamed Clinton for creating the policy regarding Kosovo, and he stated that Bush continued it.
“1. Contrary to the claims of the author, murders of muslims began prior to the US intervention. Srbrenica is an inconveniet truth for the anti Kosovo crowd. Under the supervision of UN peacekeepers, Serbians murdered roughly 7,000 Muslim men. Consequent to these and other acts of violence by the Serbian government, the United States began a military intervention.”
Srbrenica was in fraking BOSNIA, not Kosovo.
>Milosevic implemented the slaughter at Srbrenica along with other slaughters.
Actually, Bosnian Serb rebel leaders Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic were the ones responsible for Srbrenica and Bosnian atrocities in general, not Milosevic.
2. The Serbian government has presently announced its support for China’s crackdown against Tibet.
What exactly did they say?
>And yes President Bush is awesome and neither you nor the author are as good as he is.
In some areas, he’s done a very good job. In others, not. For example, he definetly could have done better when it came to border security, illegal immigration, and protecting our economy from outsourcing. On the other hand, he’s done well when it came to fighting Al-Qaeda, and eliminating Saddam’s regime, which was a threat to the stablilty of the Middle East.
Wrongo, bucko. We were working with the Russians on a lot of things. Still are.
We're having a problem working with Putin. Putin, who has decided the best thing to cement his power is a little Russian nationalism mixed with Soviet style press and fascism.
The petty tyrant threw a tantrum over the Baltics, the Ukraine and Georgia and is now rattling the oil saber. I say oil saber because the Russian military sucks and he knows it. And now his very transparent manipulations of Medvedev is to show there can be a new Stalin and he is happy to play the roll.
I care little for what the International Courts say.
International law is about defending sovereigns not people.
Nothing. Im from Serbia and Serbia didnt commented Tibet.
Chinese wont mess arround Kosovo, Serbia wont mess arround Tibet.
Serbia is a small country caught in the middle of games by the Great Powers. Her first choice was to turn West, but the West has repeatedly smacked her down and humiliated her, because the Administration continually plays “let’s kick Russia in the Serbia”. That stupid policy was bound to have repercussions. It forced Serbia to turn elsewhere for support. China supports Serbia’s territorial integrity in the UN Security Council, could Serbia do any less for China even if she wanted to?
True. It was declarative statement and it reffers more to the Kosovo issue then on Tibet. Mutual support to territorial integrity, no more no less. Nobody speeks of supporting violence in Tibet, especially by officials.
And for Russia – the only Power who wanted to help. Only they give mix of declarative support with a little of diplomatic actions. Nobody in Serbia belives in actual russian support and USA knows that. Both countries really do have historical ties, but more abstract ones – like in culture and religion (orthodoxy). But in the field of politics not much – Serbs asked for help of Russia in the past, but not getting much of it. Russia DIDN`T give any big help to Serbia during the fight for liberation of turkish ocupation in XIX century, just collecting some refuges from Serbia. Russian tzar REFUSED to help Serbia during the Habsburg Anexion crisis of Bosnia in 1908. `cose “we are allies now with Austrian Empire” tzar said (even serbian princess was married to one of Romanovs), what later caused WWI. Yugoslav army REFUSED to join Reds in “liberation” of Berlin in 1945 and to be part of USSR, and also there was big diplomatic conflict between Yugoslavia and USSR during Informburo crisis. So Serbs are very sceptical about this one too, just waiting to see what Russians will do for them. I`m afraid selling Oil industry to russian Gasprom under price will do any help. Wait and see.
This is really amusing. So, first Srebrenica, then China. What`s next – Papua New Guinea? Try to do some geography lonestar67 and read the article title first.
I think it`s more amusing to watch Indian Wells final.
Incorrect.
Srbrenica is completely innaplicable to this discussion. First, it occurred in Bosnia not Kosovo. Second, it was committed by Bosnian Serb forces not by the Serbian Army. Third, it was a much more complex situation then has been reported by the media and was more a retaliatory massacre than an unprovoked massacre.
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