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To: Dog Gone
Evolution is a fact.

Well, spontaneous mutation and natural selection within species is fact. However, the notion that primitive species evolve into more sophisticated species is not fact. In fact, it appears to violate the second law of thermodynamics.

People who are uncomfortable the implications of this, postulate that infinite energy has been added to earth's ecoshere so that evolution is, in fact, possible.

54 posted on 03/20/2008 3:56:42 PM PDT by outofstyle (There's a rake at the gates of Hell tonight)
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To: outofstyle
Yes, mutation and selection is a fact.

No, the 2nd law of thermodynamics in no way contradicts increasing complexity; this is an argument that even other creationists caution creationists not to use.

Earth is not a closed system and it would not take ‘infinite’ energy to allow for evolution (indeed infinite energy would destroy life) all it takes is a steady stream of energy from something we like to call Mr. Sun.

59 posted on 03/20/2008 4:00:31 PM PDT by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD)
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To: outofstyle
However, the notion that primitive species evolve into more sophisticated species is not fact. In fact, it appears to violate the second law of thermodynamics.

*sigh* IN A CLOSED SYSTEM!!!!

Locally, entropy can decrease, at the expense of other parts of the system.

Simply put when a tree grows the increase in the order of the atoms that make the tree comes at the energy cost of the decrease in order of the atoms of the sun.

The whole system did lose order.

62 posted on 03/20/2008 4:09:35 PM PDT by null and void (..for dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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To: outofstyle
In fact, it appears to violate the second law of thermodynamics.

In what way? Please explain further.

71 posted on 03/20/2008 4:39:45 PM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: outofstyle
Well, spontaneous mutation and natural selection within species is fact. However, the notion that primitive species evolve into more sophisticated species is not fact. In fact, it appears to violate the second law of thermodynamics.

People who are uncomfortable the implications of this, postulate that infinite energy has been added to earth's ecoshere so that evolution is, in fact, possible.

Have you ever stopped to consider why it is that about the only people who cite the second law of thermodynamics as disproof of evolution are creationists?

And why 99.5% of scientists just shake their heads at the silliness of that claim?

90 posted on 03/20/2008 5:44:38 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: outofstyle

[Well, spontaneous mutation and natural selection within species is fact. However, the notion that primitive species evolve into more sophisticated species is not fact. In fact, it appears to violate the second law of thermodynamics.]

As a mechanical engineer with a solid background in thermodynmics, that is absolutely false. The second law allows local increases in order at the expense of global disorder. This is why you can evolve from an embryo to an adult, else by your analysis only stasis would be possible.


92 posted on 03/20/2008 5:50:14 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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