Upright Walking Began 6 Million Years Ago

Newswise ^ | Stony Brook University Medical Center

[CindyDawg]

Not avoiding your question. I'm thinking about it but...now you side tracked me. Which one does your brother believe in? Just curious caz my mom believes some strange things too.:’)

[null and void]

However, the notion that primitive species evolve into more sophisticated species is not fact. In fact, it appears to violate the second law of thermodynamics.

*sigh* IN A CLOSED SYSTEM!!!!

Locally, entropy can decrease, at the expense of other parts of the system.

Simply put when a tree grows the increase in the order of the atoms that make the tree comes at the energy cost of the decrease in order of the atoms of the sun.

The whole system did lose order.

[SunkenCiv]

[null and void]

It's a case of chocolate.

[Monkey Face]

Kewl! Thanks!

Looks like something to be found in the Lower Levels of the Undead Thread!

[Dog Gone]

I’m not sure all what my brother believes in. Fairies, gnomes, and all kinds of weird stuff.

It’s not reassuring to me that he’s a California public school teacher.

I can hardly have a converstation with him anymore. He’s somewhere to the left of Ralph Nader. Maybe like Noam Chomsky.

Science has always had a tension with religion, and religion has eventually come around. We no longer think the universe revolves around the earth, for example, but that was not the case 600 years ago.

Religion and science are not incompatible, and I don’t know why so many people think they are.

[Monkey Face]

Ah.

*drool*

(Disregard last transmission)

*sigh*
*drool*

[CindyDawg]

Ok. See, I’m not bothered that it was pointed out I used the wrong terminology. Actually it just encouraged me to do some reviewing. Obviously some of yall are more “evolved”, regarding Evolution. I’m willing to listen to others thoughts and ideas but my concern was, and still is that the rest of us, daily, are being told this is fact. If creation was presented this way, people would be screaming from the roof tops. We are seeing the same with GW. People just need to ask questions. When did “why” or “how” become bad words?

[CindyDawg]

It could be worse. Mine believes there are aliens and that if CNN says it, it's true. :')

I do agree though that faith is not a science. (on both sides)

[allmendream]

Indeed they are not. I am a Scientist and asking questions about the natural world is what we do. Most scientific language is couched in equivocation to denote the provisional nature of the suggested explanation.

‘finding indicates’
‘This research solidifies the evidence’
‘by way of the analysis, we see no special phylogenetic connection’

All of the above were taken from the article. This is not presenting it as settled fact, merely what the evidence (so far) indicates, acording to the authors.

[shuckmaster]

In fact, it appears to violate the second law of thermodynamics.

In what way? Please explain further.

[Fiji Hill]

THE WALK
(Jimmy McCracklin, 1958)

Well I know you heard of Suzy-Q;
And I know you heard of the chicken, too;
I know you heard of the cha-cha, too,
But the walk is a dance that you can do.

You just walk, you just walk,
Oh, you walk, yes you walk,
Yeah you walk, that’s the walk.

Well I know you heard of the Texas hop;
I know you heard of the old fox trot;
But when you do the Walk,
But when you do the walk, you’re do it in style
You just shake your hips and close your eyes,

And then you walk, yeah you walk,
Then you walk, oh you walk, ah you walk,
Oh yes you walk, do the walk.

Well I know you heard of the old mambo
And I know you heard of the old congo
But when you do the walk, you stand in close
And don’t step on your partner’s toes.

You just walk, yeah you walk, then you walk,
Yes you walk, oh you walk, that’s the walk.

Now if you dont know what its all about,
Come to me and Ill show you how.
Well do it fast, well do it slow,
Then you’ll know the walk everywhere you go .

You can walk, and you walk, now you walk
You gonna walk, you gotta walk it,
that’s the walk.

[porter_knorr]

So, when they grow, and it’s the next generation - however that happens, they keep their new mutated form, or go back to the original form?

[ought-six]

Democrats just began walking upright in the early 1900s.

[allmendream]

They all continue to change and differentiate, the exact ‘original’ will never be replicated by its descendants, although ‘back’ mutations are certainly possible at some loci; especially if the selective pressure is removed.

[Dog Gone]

I was certainly educated as young earth creationist. I went to private church-sponsored schools through college.

I’ve since come to the conclusion that what I had been taught was a belief, a faith, a matter of perceived doctrine, but not really true or supported by the facts that we could really examine.

I guess at that point you have to make a choice. I go with the facts.

And modify my beliefs. It’s not an either/or thing between science and religion. It’s just not.

Yes, I don’t believe the world is 6,000 years old anymore. That’s absurd, in my opinion.

Even if it’s 4.65 billion years old and man evolved over time, it doesn’t mean there isn’t a God, and this wasn’t his plan.

The concepts are not in conflict except by those who insist they are for some other reason.

[Siberian-psycho]

I’m stuck in the Truth of God’s Word, and that crosses all centuries.

[porter_knorr]

so, when do you consider it a new species, and point me to an example of this.

[Dog Gone]

I’m stuck in the Truth of God’s Word, and that crosses all centuries.

That's fine, and if it works for you, it doesn't really matter.

You don't have to subscribe to evolution to be a good person, nor does one who does automatically become a bad person.

God's Word is subject to interpretation. I assume you'll agree with that.

And I'll assume you agree that what He said is filtered through humans. He didn't fax the Bible to us.

It was humans who decided what texts were biblical. Presumably they were inspired to make the right decisions, but it wasn't without dispute.

So we have what we have. And we can believe what we believe. I don't believe that God expects us to disavow facts in order to believe in Him.

Other people's mileage will vary. But that's just how I see it.

[Siberian-psycho]

That’s just it though, the facts of evolution are not facts. It too is subject to ones belief.