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A Bankrupt Superpower: The Collapse Of American Power
Intelligence Daily ^ | March 19, 2008 | By Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 03/20/2008 2:56:09 AM PDT by Fennie

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To: justa-hairyape

“Saddam Hussein was trying to get OPEC to slow production before the War began. We would have been paying $5/gallon for gas 4 years ago if Saddam was still in charge of Iraq.”

Stop it, as bad as this article is he does make some good points and one of them is the $500 billion dollar war to nowhere.

The defense of the war has now reached moronic proportions, the argument of “We would be paying $4 a gallon 5 years ago if Saddam was still in charge” is frankly naive and stupid. The war has been costly, and poorly run and will only continue to affect the average American. Stop being partisan for a second and look at what this president has accomplished in 8 years. How anyone can defend these policies goes beyond me.


61 posted on 03/20/2008 5:40:29 AM PDT by jlasoon
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To: jlasoon

I agree with your point... one thing I noticed yesterday during the President’s ‘war speech’ was that he framed it in terms of getting rid of evil (Saddam) and lifting good people out of tyranny (Iraqi’s), blah blah blah.. world a safer place (might be true though, we haven’t had a problem with terror here since 2001) and I was thinking - wait! We didn’t start this war over that... we went in initially to route out the insurgents from Afghanistan and get Bin Laden.


62 posted on 03/20/2008 5:45:34 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: NeoCaveman
I can't stand the either/or.

We aren't doomed at all and that is not what anyone is saying.

What we are saying is that we are on a wrong track and need to get back to basics.

63 posted on 03/20/2008 5:46:46 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: TheBattman
What a system.

The fix from the Rino/Dino sect will probably end up being worse then the disease. For example, the Dino Hillary made a famous comment back during her Health Care Debacle Part 1 or was it her Great Dot Com Meltdown. Gee, hard to remember exactly what she was referring too, but the inference is the same. Her quote went something like, 'I cannot be held responsible for the under-capitalized businesses'.

Well, Hillary. Look who is under-capitalized now !

64 posted on 03/20/2008 5:48:55 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: jlasoon
Stop being partisan for a second and look at what this president has accomplished in 8 years. How anyone can defend these policies goes beyond me.

As far as the president goes, the buck may stop there but it doesn't originate there. Billions are being spent to override commonsense and intuition.

65 posted on 03/20/2008 5:49:43 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Realism
A lot of people walked off with some big windfalls

Some did; the rest of us pay.

Free Traitors are not capitalists -- they are socialists. Their motto is "privatize the profit; socialize the risk."

66 posted on 03/20/2008 5:52:24 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: jlasoon
How anyone can defend these policies goes beyond me.

And how anyone can defend keeping Saddam Hussein in power is beyond me. He was hung by his own people for using WMD on his own people. The author stated the naive point that we have gotten nothing for our billions spent. No need to compound the authors mistake.

67 posted on 03/20/2008 5:54:53 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Fennie

This is the problem....

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/22652.html

10% of the country pays 70% of the taxes. You and I have NO say in what happens until 90% pays 90% ....until then ...we’ve “sold” the government to those 10% ...and those 10% are busy having their way with the rest of us!!!


68 posted on 03/20/2008 5:55:19 AM PDT by mo
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To: american colleen
We aren't doomed at all and that is not what anyone is saying...What we are saying is that we are on a wrong track and need to get back to basics.

You get called a Marxist for saying things like that around here.

69 posted on 03/20/2008 5:55:29 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: em2vn

Wrong....

The US is also exporting plenty of goods and services and not only has the country’s GDP grown, so hasn’t tax revenues and total employment.

I say screw to unions. They increase prices and make companies less competitive in a global market.


70 posted on 03/20/2008 6:00:12 AM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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To: Thrownatbirth

More than that....


71 posted on 03/20/2008 6:01:23 AM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
I feel strongly at this point that we need a big course correction.

The only way we will get that is when cash fool gets tight. Any fool can manage with infinite cash flow.

If I win the lottery tomorrow what happens to my mgt? If I lose my job tomorrow what happens?

72 posted on 03/20/2008 6:04:21 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: AndyJackson
I noticed.

Good thing name calling isn't a way to stop a conversation unless you're a teenager or younger.

I would just like to understand how Globalism and Free Trade and a huge deficit benefit the vast majority of middle class Americans.. what jobs are created for the ones we export?

I see a huge disconect... Bill Gates saying Americans aren't educated enough... and then he donates millions for education in India and in China. Meanwhile, MIT Engineering applicants dropped @ 30% this year because kids don't see a future in it. Same with IT college applicants. They know that with those degrees, they will be at risk of outsourcing/offshoring. Just got a bump in the H1-B visa holders last week... enabled more than a few companies to replace American workers with foreign workers who will stay, learn what they are taught and then take it home in a few years and compete against the very company who used them in place of Americans. I've seen this in spades for years in the industry I am in. The H1-B guys were never as good as the guys they replaced but they cost a fraction of their American counterpart. They live 10 to an apartment and don't seek medical treatment unless they can go home for it. Most of their pay gets sent home to their families.

And manufacturing... what is wrong with Americans who are content making a fair wage with their hands? Why do some around here not see the loss of our manufacturing base as a huge American loss? Especially since that shirt they used to make (when we made our own clothes in America) costs the same to consumers whether it's made here or there? The one that wins is the corporation and the executives. They do not pass much of a savings off on consumers.

73 posted on 03/20/2008 6:09:49 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: coloradan

Why do people blame the GOP for McCain? He wasn’t the only guy who stood for election in the primaries.

And before you rant on and on about the primary structure, plenty of people on the republican and conservative side have been voting in the dem primaries to impact that race.


74 posted on 03/20/2008 6:10:06 AM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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To: Fennie

“Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.
Why would anyone use Chomsky for a source of wisdom? All the ideas he espouses are the opposite of freedom.


75 posted on 03/20/2008 6:12:00 AM PDT by freeforall (Answers are a burden for oneself, questions are a burden for others.)
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To: ex-Texan
There is hope, at least when McCain looked into Putin eyes he saw "KGB" :)

The bankrupt banking industry is having a fire sale.


76 posted on 03/20/2008 6:19:49 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: kindred

Where I live a teacher’s starting salary is about $35K a year and that’s with a masters’ degree. They are in school by 7:15 in the morning and they put in an 8 hour day. Sure, the benefits are good and they work 192 days a year but they also wind up taking work home at night, working on stuff on the weekends, staying late for parent conferences, etc. In the end many of them are going above and beyond the terms of their contracts which is something a UAW, Teamster, municipal or other AFL/CIO type will ever do.

I don’t care for NEA or its politics but I do have a lot of respect for what the teachers do just like the cops and firemen.


77 posted on 03/20/2008 6:19:52 AM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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78 posted on 03/20/2008 6:23:58 AM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: Thrownatbirth
I believe 40% of American workers ARE shareholders.

Any American worker with a 401(k) or 403(b) is a shareholder ... many American workers with IRAs are also shareholders.

79 posted on 03/20/2008 6:26:01 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: misterrob
I say screw to unions. They increase prices and make companies less competitive in a global market.

Sure since they are the only ones standing in the way of being forced to live the American Dream on a Chinese income.

80 posted on 03/20/2008 6:28:25 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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