Posted on 03/18/2008 9:34:05 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
OCEANSIDE -- Police weren't saying much Monday about a suspected road rage incident Saturday night in which an off-duty San Diego police officer shot and wounded a Camp Pendleton woman and her 8-year-old son.
The off-duty officer, Franklin "Frank" White of Oceanside, fired an undisclosed number of shots during the incident, which happened at about 9:30 p.m. in a shopping center parking lot off Old Grove Road, said Oceanside police Sgt. Kelan Poorman.
The woman and child remained hospitalized Monday, but authorities said their injuries were not life threatening.
White is on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the Oceanside Police Department's criminal investigation and an internal review by the San Diego Police Department, Chief William Lansdowne said Monday. White has worked for the San Diego Police Department since October 2005.
Poorman said the incident apparently began when one car cut off another car in traffic. He said one driver followed the other driver to the parking lot of the Lowe's Home Improvement store on Old Grove Road, where the shooting took place. He declined to say which car White was driving.
The other driver, a white female in her 20's, was not armed, according to Poorman. Parties from both cars called police, he said.
Poorman said he did not know whether White -- who was accompanied by his wife at the time of the incident --- was inside or outside of his car during the shooting, or whether White acted in self-defense.
"I think that's probably why the shots were fired, but I'd be speculating," Poorman said.
The injured woman is married to a Marine and lives on Camp Pendleton, Poorman said. She was taken to Sharp Memorial Hospital in San Diego, where she is still a patient.
As of Monday afternoon, she had not been interviewed, but investigators did speak with her son at Rady Children's Hospital, Poorman said.
He said Oceanside investigators are still trying to obtain surveillance video from businesses in the area
White was not in a police vehicle at the time of the incident, Poorman said.
State and federal laws give off-duty police officers the right to carry a weapon.
A countywide policy adopted in May 2007 addresses when and how off-duty officers may intervene when they observe a law being broken, said San Diego Police Department spokeswoman Monica Munoz.
The policy states that law enforcement officers retain "full power and authority" to perform policing duties when not on duty, including carrying a weapon.
Munoz said she could not comment on whether San Diego police official believe White fired his gun in a police capacity because they are not conducting the investigation into the incident.
Did he only have one arm????
“So, do you plan to give the presumption of innocence to this cop, until more evidence surfaces?”
No, he shot two people while he was off duty. Barring a boatload of supporting witnesses he should be treated like anyone else and put in jail while they investigate. As far as we know he’s a loose cannon and a danger to society. Remember, he SHOT TWO PEOPLE and there is no dispute to that fact.
“I just don’t like prejudging anyone on such flimsy evidence.”
Cops are more than happy to prejudge everyone else. If you shoot someone in self defense you are quite likely to be arrested, jailed, and charged.
“Did he only have one arm????”
No but he looked kinda like Murtha.
Having read this thread up to your post, I keep asking myself - what did the 8-yo do, that the nice policeman though it necessary to shoot him?
“Having read this thread up to your post, I keep asking myself - what did the 8-yo do, that the nice policeman though it necessary to shoot him?”
Cmon Gen. Patton, he was probably was just claiming to be shell shocked.
/sadly sarc
Not a General in this room - I KNOW who my parents are.
;)
Precisely, the assumption of innocence ended when he turned on his blinker and followed this woman into the parking lot. He had so many way points on his decision making path to turn around and avert this situation.
When he put on his blinker.
When he followed her into the parking lot.
When he parked his car.
When he turned off the ignition.
When he pulled the keys out of the ignition.
When he opened his car door.
When he walked towards her car.
He had more than a half dozen points along this linear line that ended with two people seriously shot. Had he exercised even an ounce of self-restraint during and up to the final point, we wouldn't be discussing this here today. Instead he purposefully chose to escalate the situation. He should be held accountable for his poor decision making skills.
Shot for driving while White?
I’m holding fire on this one - I tried all of the other news sources and it just one press release quoting another press release (that is what passes for news these days)
What I want to know
Who followed who into the parking lot? (Woman followed cop, or cop followed woman.
Why has the news said nothing about statements from the cops wife, who was sitting in the car?
What did the kid have to say - other than “Mommy, the nasty man is shooting at us...”?
And, ya, if the cop was in a ‘bad shoot’ he had damn well better be looking over his shoulder. Maybe not today, or even tomorrow..... but ——
As far as the polt point, I have a new snippet - sending it now. Not complete, but another tale from the universe of Joerl.
Looking forward to it. Published another 30 pages again today, more stuff that will never be seen by anybody...sigh.
I find the odds that a 20ish woman with an 8 year old child in the car would be the one chasing the cop to be infinitesimally small as to be non-existent. Stranger things have happened, but I find it much more thoroughly plausible that a man with a badge and a gun would be the one with the requisite cajones to instigate this situation.
My son, a real live Marine, has dated such a crazy woman. And I mean, crazy. Hot? Yes - and crazy sometimes as well.
A screechy, bitchy, (add your own description here) out of control woman is perfectly capable of running anyone down.
Note to self - "mom" is in her "20s" Lad is described as eight years old.
Note to self - do math
Mom became mom at 18, she is 26.
Mom became mom at 16, she is now 22.
Interesting maths, yes?
Very much so, no less for the fact that 16 + 8 = 24, not 22. :)
“Mom became mom at 18, she is 26.
Mom became mom at 16, she is now 22.”
Or Mom became Mom at 19 and is not 27, or 28, or 29. She is married after all.
First, I need to apologize because I did not make clear my just-as-strong disagreement with the “bootlicker” appellation. Name calling typically is a sign that the opponent in a debate has run out of salient arguments.
What I found offensive is the comment “Spoken like a true non-veteran.” Being a veteran generally speaks well of a man’s (or woman’s) character, but is only an indicator and is entirely fallible. The repugnant stances taken by John Murtha spring to mind as the perfect example.
While both I and my brother are veterans, our father was not. It in no way diminished him, in my opinion. The fact that my brother and I have some shared experiences that made us different from him only made us different - not better, not worse, just different.
Honestly, without the line I originally quoted from your post I wouldn’t have paid much attention to your post at all. I do not completely agree with some of your statements, but such disagreements are reasonable between reasonable people.
And there ends my own rant.
Must be needing more coffes....
Yes, married is best as a Mom. Ever better to be a grandmother is married.
Through the efforts of ARJIS and the San Diego County Law Enforcement agencies combined, all SD County LE agencies have an agreement whereas any SD County based LE agency can write speeding tickets, or any other traffic infraction tickets, outside of their specific jursidictions, within the jurisdictions of other agencies. SD County based CHP is also included when it comes to CITY streets. They already have State Highway and Unincorporated area jurisdiction as well, obviously. Sheriff's can write anywhere. PD's can write anywhere. CHP can write anywhere. As long as it's in San Diego County.
Additionally, if you are OFF-DUTY and an LE Officer and witness a traffic infraction, you can contact the local law enforcement agency and the responding officer will cut the cite, and the witnessing off-duty officer co-signs as the officer that witnessed the infraction. And that applies throughout the entire State of California. All the tickets of all the agencies in California have two officer signature lines. A SDPD Officer can be in Oceanside for whatever reason, and write tickets there if he witnesses and infraction and makes the stop. An off-duty SDPD Officer can witness an infraction in Los Angeles and if he can get the local agency to cut the cite, the SDPD Officer co-signs... then has to go back to L.A. for court which is why it's discouraged, but not prohibited, by most departments.
But does that include busting caps on a citizen
**outside of your legal jurisdiction**
while *off duty** and **out of uniform**??
Just asking....
In Alaska IIRC, the out of town cop would be in jail right now, waiting for bail hearing. But then, that's one of the reasons I enjoy living here and not there. To each his own
A man in street clothes gets out of a car and approaches a woman and her child - at 9:30 pm - in a parking lot after a road incident. That right there constitutes a threat. What would you advise one of your loved ones to do in a similar situation?
I look forward to getting the rest of the story. I know it's not unheard of for cops to misbehave, or break the law, but I refuse to convict him without hearing the whole story.
Unlike so many on this thread.
Stop with the red herring. This is an internet discussion board, not a court of law.
Ping.
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