Posted on 03/18/2008 9:34:05 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
OCEANSIDE -- Police weren't saying much Monday about a suspected road rage incident Saturday night in which an off-duty San Diego police officer shot and wounded a Camp Pendleton woman and her 8-year-old son.
The off-duty officer, Franklin "Frank" White of Oceanside, fired an undisclosed number of shots during the incident, which happened at about 9:30 p.m. in a shopping center parking lot off Old Grove Road, said Oceanside police Sgt. Kelan Poorman.
The woman and child remained hospitalized Monday, but authorities said their injuries were not life threatening.
White is on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the Oceanside Police Department's criminal investigation and an internal review by the San Diego Police Department, Chief William Lansdowne said Monday. White has worked for the San Diego Police Department since October 2005.
Poorman said the incident apparently began when one car cut off another car in traffic. He said one driver followed the other driver to the parking lot of the Lowe's Home Improvement store on Old Grove Road, where the shooting took place. He declined to say which car White was driving.
The other driver, a white female in her 20's, was not armed, according to Poorman. Parties from both cars called police, he said.
Poorman said he did not know whether White -- who was accompanied by his wife at the time of the incident --- was inside or outside of his car during the shooting, or whether White acted in self-defense.
"I think that's probably why the shots were fired, but I'd be speculating," Poorman said.
The injured woman is married to a Marine and lives on Camp Pendleton, Poorman said. She was taken to Sharp Memorial Hospital in San Diego, where she is still a patient.
As of Monday afternoon, she had not been interviewed, but investigators did speak with her son at Rady Children's Hospital, Poorman said.
He said Oceanside investigators are still trying to obtain surveillance video from businesses in the area
White was not in a police vehicle at the time of the incident, Poorman said.
State and federal laws give off-duty police officers the right to carry a weapon.
A countywide policy adopted in May 2007 addresses when and how off-duty officers may intervene when they observe a law being broken, said San Diego Police Department spokeswoman Monica Munoz.
The policy states that law enforcement officers retain "full power and authority" to perform policing duties when not on duty, including carrying a weapon.
Munoz said she could not comment on whether San Diego police official believe White fired his gun in a police capacity because they are not conducting the investigation into the incident.
You can bet your ass if the situation were reversed that the 'facts' would be in order. FOADJBT's
Niiiice.
Keep stepping in it.
Shooting kids?
You’ve got no problem with that.
Tell that to the 8 year old boy. i am sure he will fell better.
That is quite the loaded headline. If you read other accounts it merely states that she has hired an attorney and she will be interviewed when he arranges it. And why shouldn't she keep mum for the moment???
The off-duty cop didn't talk to "investigators" on his own. This is from an earlier article:
"Poorman said the officer was interviewed at the Oceanside police station with his attorney, a peer support officer and his supervisor."
So for anyone saying, "what's she got to hide"???? Well what does the cop have to hide that he needs his attorney, a peer support officer, and his supervisor to help him with his statement for???? Shouldn't he just describe what happened, his wife was in the car with him, she would certainly back him up since it turns out that she works as a dispatcher for the Carlsbad PD.
And why didn't they take his statement immediately??? How long did it take for him to round up his attorney, a peer support officer, which I assume had to come all the way from San Diego 35+ miles away, and his Supervisor, also all the way from San Diego 35+ miles away, at 10:00 pm on a Saturday??? Wouldn't it seem better to take his statement at the scene before he had hours to possibly conjure up a story???
Just one of the perks of the badge....
By Kristina Davis and Matthew Rodriguez
UNION-TRIBUNE
2:24 p.m. March 19, 2008
OCEANSIDE -- A woman who was shot by an off-duty San Diego police officer in an apparent road-rage incident has hired the same attorney that former San Diego Chargers player Steve Foley hired after he was shot by an off-duty police officer in 2006.
The woman, whose name has still not been released by police, has hired attorney John G. Phillips to represent her.
Detectives are working through Phillips to try to get a statement from her regarding the shooting.
Foley hired Phillips following after the linebacker was shot near his Poway home on Sept. 3, 2006, by off-duty Coronado police Officer Aaron Mansker. Mansker, who was driving home from work in his own car, had tried to stop Foley for erratic driving.
Foley, who later pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor drunken driving charge, has filed suit against Mansker and the city of Coronado.
In the Oceanside case, police have said San Diego police Officer Frank White fired into the woman's car in the parking lot of a Lowe's home-improvement store on Old Grove Road near state Route 76. The shooting occurred about 9:15 p.m. Saturday.
The woman's 8-year-old son also was shot and wounded by the officer.
--http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20080319-1424-bn19foley.html
Agree, others here clearly have the typical anti cop attitude, like much of the country does, and sometimes for good reason.
Your above scenario is probably the only defense the LEO could have here, that is unless he stated she displayed a firearm, and they found one in her vehicle, which I don't believe is the case here.
Interesting. Very little news coming out about this....
They’ll just say she tried to run him down. Case closed.
I would say it was certainly not self-defense when a coward with a badge shoots a woman and a child. It is outrageous how these facists always defend each other no matter how depraved the act.
He should be in jail. And I cannot recall an incident of the police ever protecting the freedoms of anyone I know. I have heard about them shooting innocent, unarmed civilians on dozens of occasions. The police act is if the American public owes them something for accepting unnecessary civil service jobs that do nothing other than expand the power of socialist state governments. Many if not most police officers are democrats anyway because they embrace big government and do not recognize the rights of individual citizens to own firearms.
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Oceanside investigators have planned a briefing today with the District Attorney's Office. Oceanside police Sgt. Kelan Poorman said he didn't know whether they would discuss possible charges at that time.
No one has been arrested.
Poorman said investigators have seen surveillance video from the parking lot and are securing a copy for themselves. He said the video won't be released to the public.
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Thanks for the update ping Fair
From reading the link you provided and also the one above it appears they both pulled into the parking lot where a verbal confrontation ensued. A video grab at the end of the story in the above link shows the cars (paint strips on road) side by side. That doesn’t seem to support the idea she tried to run him over.
If she had tried to run him over I’d imagine she would have been charged by now as well.
I find it interesting that they have surveillance video, but they aren’t going to release it.
I agree, if the video showed her trying to run him over I bet it would be released by now. The decision to keep it under wraps certainly looks suspicious.
The paint on the ground left in the parking lot doesn't show the cars side-by-side.
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