[robertpaulsen]

"You are the one making the extraordinary claim that only some (those with state appointed officers) well regulated militias are covered by the second amendment."

The "well regutated Militia" of the second amendment is the same militia as referenced in Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution.

Are you saying it's not?

[Triple]

I am saying before militias are called into service, and before they have state apointed officers they are valid unorganized militias according to Title 10 Armed Forces, Chapter 13 The Militia, Section 311 (b) classes of the militia of the current US code and have a right to keep and bear arms.

You claim in variance to the law cited above that there is no legal unorganized Militia. Please cite an opposing reference, or drop the nonsense.

I also claim that the people, independent of militia service, have a right to keep and bear arms. (which I believe you clearly dispute.)