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Elections More Important Than Call Girls (Ben Stein loses his mind...again)
CBS Sunday Morning ^ | 3/16/08 | Ben Stein

Posted on 03/16/2008 10:24:40 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks

Ben Stein Says The Feds Driving A Governor Out Of Office Is A Scary Thing

Like every other American, I was stunned by the fall of Elliot Spitzer. Of course I feel terrible for his family and for him. He fought the law and the law won.

But something sinister is happening here and it scares me.

Governor Spitzer was elected by an immense majority in the third most populous state. He got millions of votes. Now he's out of a job and in disgrace, and a man the voters did not vote for as governor is governor.

Why? Because some nosy civil servants at the IRS started a fishing expedition against Spitzer because they suspected he might be moving around money for political bribes.

So they wiretapped him and they found he was using the money he was moving around to buy the services of prostitutes.

Now, this is illegal in most states, and clearly it is in New York and in DC. But let's be honest: Men hire prostitutes by the thousands, maybe tens of thousands, every day They also bring women across state lines for sex every day.

The punishment for the men who hire hookers is usually nil, or at most a small fine close to what you'd get for a traffic ticket.

However, in Governor Spitzer's case, he got outed, humiliated, disgraced in front of his family, and then the voters lost the guy they voted for.

It is deeply scary to me that a few employees of the federal executive branch can start a train rolling that has such immense effects on the electoral process. Basically, a few career civil servants have nullified the will of the voters of the Empire State (over something clearly wrong, I don't doubt that, but it's not a political crime, not treason, not terrorism).

Having elected officials kicked out of office by appointed officials is a very dicey proposition. Over hiring prostitutes?

I strongly suspect that if the feds followed a hundred young male elected officials around for a year, they would find some sexual hanky panky among a lot of them, and some money or gifts changing hands often. If the feds prosecuted them all, it would basically mean that federal prosecutors have a veto over the electoral process.

That is dangerous.

More will be revealed but it all scares me. Elections are a lot more important than call girls.


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KEYWORDS: corruptdems; spitzer
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
No kidding. What the hell is he talking about? He states that Spitzer was involved in clearly illegal activity and in the same breath condones it because thousands of men do it every day.

Well Ben, is it illegal or is it not illegal? You stated correctly that it is illegal. So what's the problem? Simply because Spitzer was elected to office by a huge majority he's a victim of an overzealous State? Wrong.

101 posted on 03/16/2008 12:38:22 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Great spirits will always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds.)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
Ben Stein is one of the good guys, but I’m baffled by his take on this.

I used to think that, but he's got a wide liberal streak. Watch his attitude toward taxes and the government on the Saturday morning Fox News show (Cavuto, maybe?). He's for higher taxes, as 'we' can afford it. He's for government charity spending, and actually seems to think the government can be competent at it without introducing all sorts of moral hazards.

102 posted on 03/16/2008 12:40:14 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: goldstategop
I, too, usually enjoy Ben's commentary on Sunday Morning. BUT, it seems this show is leaning towards a total liberal, metro-sexual, and homosexual agenda lately. It was one of the few programs I enjoyed watching but lately I'm watching it a lot less.

“Men” who talk and act like women turn my stomach.

103 posted on 03/16/2008 12:42:06 PM PDT by YouGoTexasGirl
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Governor Spitzer was elected by an immense majority in the third most populous state. He got millions of votes.

Is that because Spitzer lied to the people about the kind of person he really was?

-PJ

104 posted on 03/16/2008 12:50:30 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Having elected officials kicked out of office by appointed officials is a very dicey proposition. Over hiring prostitutes?

Wait a minute, I thought Spitzer resigned of his own free will? Ben says he was "kicked out of office" by officials? I missed that story ... can someone point me to it? /sarc

Spitzer could have stayed in office and fought impeachment if he wanted. If the millions of voters in NY wanted him to stay, they would have said so.

I'm sure Spitzer could have fought the charges against him while still being Gov., or would Mr. Stien want the charges droped because it was only about "SEX"!

105 posted on 03/16/2008 12:50:45 PM PDT by CapnJack
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To: Paleo Conservative
I wonder when it will fall to fourth place behind Florida?


Never, since those that move from New York to Florida keep "dual citizenship" and continue to vote in both places.

106 posted on 03/16/2008 12:58:01 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: x
He does have a point: we don't want to get into the habit of overturning elections through prosecutions

Then we should've stopped before Tom Delay was smeared.

If the Dems are going to criminalize politicos contrary to their own, then Democrats can be hit by actual criminal statutes and I'm goin' to laugh about it.

Schadenfreude! It's what's for breakfast!

107 posted on 03/16/2008 1:54:35 PM PDT by Stepan12 ( "We are all girlymen now." Conservative reaction to Ann Coulter's anti PC joke)
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To: MozarkDawg
No.

The exchange of money and goods for sex isn't prostitution?

108 posted on 03/16/2008 2:12:50 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Clint N. Suhks
It's a sad day when dementia finally manifest fully and can't be ignored any longer.

Poor Ben, I always liked him...

109 posted on 03/16/2008 2:15:12 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks; All

“He fought the law and the law won.”

this myth, about spitzer, was created by spitzer, pushed by the media and sold to the sheeple of new york - creating his “popularity”

none of his highest profile cases involved the law - charges yes, but not the law

he went after the retiring head of the new york stock exchange - a private corporation, grasso, for the retirement settlement grasso received - in the 9 figures

was that settlement set by the board of directors of the new york stock exchange - yes; were they apprised of the terms prior to grasso’s retirement - yes; was anyone but them legally responsible for setting those terms - no; were any laws broken by the terms they agreed to - no;

so no laws were broken but spitzer went after grasso anyway, because grasso’s retirement settlement was ‘outrageous’

how did spitzer ‘try’ grasso

he tried his standard bully tactics - the press

his team broke ny-state ethics laws on judicial conduct by releasing pieces of ‘evidence’ - in dribs and drabs, to reporters and in editorials, seeking to avoid an actual courtroom where they would have to prove matters of law; counting on the endless pocket book of the state against the private limits of the accused, to get the accused to settle

grasso, having witnessed this legal thuggery of spitzer’s before, did not buckle under

the same cannot be said for two major insurance firms, marsh and aig, whose practices disliked by spitzer - who claimed they were unethical - were industry standard practices not in contravention of us or ny law - marsh’s losses from their public fight with spitzer put them out of business and aig replaced their founder and ceo at spitzer’s demand

why - they broke the law? no

spitzer didn’t like the way they did business - period

he was simply a thug who was given the power of a state attorney general


110 posted on 03/16/2008 3:43:29 PM PDT by Wuli
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