[JasonC]

What's "winning"? We already control the entire Iraqi countryside, for example. Now that everyone there is a subject, shall we murder them all?

You have to be able to rule the places, or get them to rule themselves, with governments you can live with succeeding with their own people.

Napoleon was frustrated in Spain, Talleyrand was trying to explain to him that a political solution was necessary. He said "You can do anything with bayonets, sire, except sit on them."

[deuteronlmy232]

What's "winning"? We already control the entire Iraqi countryside,

So, why am I paying 3.60 a gallon for heating oil? Your idea of winning and my idea of winning are a long way apart. When do they start reimbursing us for our cost and losses?