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But somehow, somewhere along the way, faith stopped being used to bring us together and started being used to drive us apart. It got hijacked. Part of it's because of the so-called leaders of the Christian Right, who've been all too eager to exploit what divides us. At every opportunity, they've told evangelical Christians that Democrats disrespect their values and dislike their Church...

Obama's Speil

1 posted on 03/14/2008 2:03:10 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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The same religious right who believes that in order to be a servant of God you must not partake in voting for Partial birth abortion? The same religious right who actually supports giving the bible a read and not giving awards to a Nation of Islam leader? The same religious right who actually believes that all human life is sacred?

The same religious right where one of the leaders actually professed to a faith in Global Warming(Pat Robertson said that if I can recall. I do not endorse it but to tar all members of the Christian Right as Libertarians(which is thet true Far Right) is ridiculous)? The same religious right that is not Anti-Semitic, believes in Israel not for religious identity but because it is moral and right, the same religious right that is not Anti-Catholic? The same religious right that helped to free the slaves(who you were not a part of, sorry Obama. You cannot claim victimhood)?

Now let’s look at Democrats:

The same Democrats who constantly profess a hatred for Jews, Catholics and Evangelicals(who freed the slaves during our Civil War)? The same Democrats who lean towards your(Obama) policies on life? The same Democrats who won’t even let a child pray in public school thereby having a hampering on our moral foundations? The Democrats who see everything as a socio-political issue and not theological sometimes?

I am not entirely a religious right man myself(nevermind if Religious Right is a demeaning term usually used by Left-Wing activists) but I find those lines insufferable.


29 posted on 03/14/2008 2:19:52 PM PDT by Merta (They Call Me The Ranting Man)
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a pillar of the South Side

'Nuff said.......White Sox ain't got a chance against the Cubbies THIS year!

30 posted on 03/14/2008 2:20:27 PM PDT by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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served this nation with honor as a United States Marine

You WILL give the pastor the benefit of the doubt, now, won't you!

32 posted on 03/14/2008 2:22:38 PM PDT by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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He should have said, "Look, I've dozed off in church a lot over the last 20 years. I have no idea what the old guys says, because my face hits the hymnal about 5 minutes into it".

He'd be elected in a landslide . . .
33 posted on 03/14/2008 2:24:27 PM PDT by horse_doc (Visualize a world where a tactical nuke went off at Max Yasgur's farm in 1969.)
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Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.

And... looking forward to going to this church!?? having Wright as his spiritual adviser!?? Pathetic. It's like "condemning" burning cross that became too public and looking forward to attend the next, more private, burning.
37 posted on 03/14/2008 2:26:42 PM PDT by alecqss
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Osama Obama is a liar. He has stated in the past that he was well aware of this church’s “radical” reputation when he joined it 20 years ago. He obviously found that aspect of it to be attractive. He is a trained community organizer. Trained by radical Leftists. Does he mean to tell us that in all the years of his association with Wright and his church, he was unaware of the radical statements made by Wright from the pulpit? He is unaware of the black nationalist policy statement that the “church” practices? Obama must not be allowed to become our Liar in Chief.


39 posted on 03/14/2008 2:28:29 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth to a Liberal, is like a crucifix to a vampire))))
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Yeah, Moss is much better. Here he is throwing his arms out like a thug, “What’s up Hannity!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHATK4OjnyI


41 posted on 03/14/2008 2:29:48 PM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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If I wanted to demonstrate to the nation I wasn't a racist sympathizer, I'd pass on the mainstream media and hit the internet, preferably a site with a high level of tolerance for Bushhaters, Americahaters and Jewhaters.

His base I presume.

43 posted on 03/14/2008 2:41:12 PM PDT by SJackson ( G-d da*n America, J Wright; Don't tell me words don't matter!, BH Obama)
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Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life.

People who pay lip service to Jesus, and then promote racial bigotry, do not preach His Gospel. Rather they slander His Gospel.

44 posted on 03/14/2008 2:57:36 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn.

Ah yes, all his bad statements were bad ones.

45 posted on 03/14/2008 3:01:56 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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Let’s just say if a Republican had attended a church where the ‘pastor’ said something similiar there would be HELL in the MSM. You can bet on that!

The candidate certainly couldn’t just post a message on a kook message board and be done with it.


47 posted on 03/14/2008 3:19:21 PM PDT by kcvl
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This “Rev” sounds exactly like that other “Rev,” the infamous Rev Jim Jones, preaching a mix of “social justice” and anti-American invective.

That’s why he moved his flock to South America; they all hated the U.S. and were communists.


49 posted on 03/14/2008 3:27:23 PM PDT by olivia3boys
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Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor.

In truth, we have been assured that Mr. Wright was the most important influence in Mr. Obama’s life. That he was Obama’s “spiritual mentor,” and the reason he joined the church and got into politics.

From a more than year old edition of the Chicago Tribune:

Pastor inspires Obama’s ‘audacity’Though Wright and Obama do not often talk one-on-one often, the senator does check with his pastor before making any bold political moves. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/religion/chi-070121-relig_wright,1,271630.story?page=1&coll=chi-religion-topheadlines&ctrack=1&cset=true

50 posted on 03/14/2008 3:29:34 PM PDT by anglian
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I don’t need to read anything from this empty suit...
anyone who attends the diatribes every Sunday of a ANTI-AMERICAN RACIST BIGOT FOR TWENTY FRIGGIN’ YEARS obviously has no problem with the speaker and/or his beliefs...It’s not like there aren’t other churches in Illinois that the Obama’s could attend Sunday religious services!
I won’t even smear the title of “reverend” by addressing Wright as one...

Wright is Wrong!

And now we know why Obama doesn’t wear an American flag on his lapel.


52 posted on 03/14/2008 3:37:02 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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I've left churches for far less. OsamaObama is so done. What a piece of work.
53 posted on 03/14/2008 3:37:13 PM PDT by LiberConservative
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The WSJ has one of Wright’s hate America, racist sermons listed on line.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1985856/posts

Wright and Obama: It Only Gets Worse
Confederate Yankee ^ | March 14, 2008 | Staff
Posted on 03/14/2008 3:15:38 PM PDT by jdm

The Wall Street Journal has published yet another damning sermon from Barack Obama’s retiring minister of two decades, Jeremiah Wright.

The displaced anger, bigotry, and hatred displayed is chilling:
“We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college,” he began. “Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body.”

Mr. Wright thundered on: “America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”

His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, “We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means. . . .”
Concluding, Mr. Wright said: “We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . .”

As the story of Wright’s forceful bigotry finally forced it’s way into the mainstream media yesterday at ABC News with the story Obama’s Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11, the people Barack Obama has chosen to surround himself with has come under sharp focus.

From a self-isolated, self-pitying wife, to a bombastic, bigoted minister, to an unreformed terrorist, Barack Obama has surrounded himself with very questionable ideological company, associations from which he has no defense. He wasn’t forced to chose to spend time with this cadre of believers on the radical fringe, he embraced them willingly.
Predictably, as the media has come to focus on Obama’s two-decade relationship with Wright, Obama supporters have been quick to attempt to minimize the damage. Unable to do it with a forceful denunciation of Wright’s bigotry by Obama (Obama has only uttered the lamest of excuses), they have instead attempted to tar Republican candidate John McCain as being equally bad, for the support he has garnered from controversial evangelists Rod Parsley and John Hagee.

For those of you unfamiliar with these men, Parsley’s most famous controversial statements include calling Islam a “false religion” that must be destroyed, opposition same-sex marriage, partial-birth abortion, hate-crimes legislation, and the separation of church and state. Hagee has been ripped an an anti-Catholic bigot, stated that Hurricane Katrina was an act of God against New Orleans for the city’s “level of sin,” and for claiming that the Qur’an has “a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews.”
There, of course, is a difference between John McCain’s political endorsements by Parsley and Hagee, and Barack Obama’s 20 years of willfully absorbing Wright’s hatred, a toxicity to which he has willfully exposed family.

I addressed this attempt to equivilate Obama and McCain in a comment to the ABC News blog story Obama camp: ‘Deplores divisive statements’, which featured yet another inflammatory speech by Wright.

My comment read:
I see that some are already attempting to trot out a comparative argument, that Wright’s offensive, bigoted, and paranoid rants are somehow lessened by invoking John McCain’s support from John Hagee and Rod Parsley, two prominent evangelists who have also made provocative statements.

But here is the huge gaping difference between these attempts: Barack Obama has spent the better part of the past 20 years of his life listening to, absorbing, and yes, agreeing with Wright’s sermons. If he did not agree with the bulk of those sermons, he would have of course left Trinity for another church—finding a church in Chicago that closely fits your own personal beliefs is not at all difficult, and Obama obviously agrees with Wright far more than he disagrees.

That Obama has spent 20 years listening to Wright, thought enough of him to use one of those sermons as the title of his book, “The Audacity of Hope,” that he was married by Wright, had both of his children baptized by Wright and brought up in this church, listening to these paranoid and racist rants that differ little in substance from the words of a much more famous racist, Louis Farakkan, means that Obama AGREES with Wright far more often than he disagrees with him.

From that, what are we to make of Obama? Actions, indeed, do speak louder than flaccid conciliatory words that have only just now been uttered.

I say again the obvious: no American would spend 20 years listening to a minister with which he vehemently disagreed.

McCain, by comparison, is guilty of pandering to Haggee and Parsley because of the (unfortunate) influence they have over a powerful voting demographic.

I can find scant evidence that McCain has sat though one sermon from Hagee or Parsley, much less 20 years of them.

Which is worse?

The politician that panders for votes, or the man who has listened to and internalized anti-American, anti-Jewish, and anti-white messages for 20 years before ever once publicly disagreeing with them, and who is raising his children in this same toxic environment?
Not only am I certain Barack Obama is unfit to run this nation, I now question his ability to raise his own children, for the hatred he has willingly exposed them to since their births.

Yes, I went there. Read again Wright’s rant in the WSJ article featured above, or some of his other hate speech (for that is what it is), and try to explain to me that a good parent exposes his children to an environment that exudes such naked anger, resentment, defeatism, and conspiratorial paranoia.

Perhaps some of you are comfortable having your children raised in such an environment, but I am not, and I do not think that someone who willingly exposes himself and his family to internalizing such vitriol for 20 years is the kind of person we need or want to lead this nation.


54 posted on 03/14/2008 3:56:20 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Obama's Pastor, Jeremiah Wright: "God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11")
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