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Hundreds seeking housing money overwhelm Boca Authority [Florida](Riot Police called in)
The Palm Beach Post ^ | March 12, 2008 | KEVIN DEUTSCH, GRETEL SARMIENTO and LONA O'CONNOR

Posted on 03/14/2008 12:46:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

BOCA RATON — A crowd of more than 500 people waiting for hours this morning for housing voucher applications were dispersed by police in riot gear at the Boca Raton Housing Authority when the applications ran out sooner than expected.

The action prompted complaints that officers used excessive tactics and housing authority officials were incompetent in their planning.

Two people were arrested and six to eight people hospitalized for exhaustion during the ordeal.

Hundreds of people, mostly mothers who had spent more than eight hours in line, were forced to leave the property at 2333 W. Glades Road by 30 Boca Raton Police officers, including SWAT team members, who walked toward the crowd in unison holding their police shields up about 10:30 a.m.

"Leave or face arrest," police officers shouted at the crowd as they urged them out of the housing authority parking lot. People were made to leave the vicinity altogether, with officers forcing them to cross the street and move toward their cars.

The overwhelming turnout of people desperate for housing money came as little surprise to Suzanne Cabrera, president of the Housing Leadership Council of Palm Beach County.

"This is an indication that housing it's still a huge problem," Cabrera said this afternoon. "It's a reflection of people's concern for housing, their uncertainty. I got people today asking me: was this my last chance to get housing I can afford?"

Several other things, such as mortgage foreclosures and high gas prices, are contributing to that feeling of insecurity and desperation, she said.

So whenever word gets out that voucher applications are being handed out, which she said doesn't happen very often, people get full of hope.

Judith Aigen, executive director of the city's housing authority, said once applicants meet the economic and background requirements, those who get a voucher technically must live within Boca Raton for one year, but housing agencies in Palm Beach County have a "hand-shake agreement" allowing people with vouchers to live anywhere in the county during that year.

A study the council conducted Jan. 29 shows the number of people needing housing is still pretty high.

"Housing is still as valid a concern as it was when we lived in different times," Cabrera said.

Police had been at the housing authority since about midnight, a few hours after people started lining up outside for Section 8 housing voucher applications.

Some people lay down blankets and pillows to camp out until 9 a.m., when the housing authority had advertised they would hand out applications.

The line was already hundreds deep, so police asked Aigen to come to the property.

"There were traffic issues, disabled people who couldn't breathe well, children standing in line," she said.

The agency, worried about the size of the crowd, decided about 2 a..m. to hand out about 500 applications and reserve a few for later.

"We didn't expect so many to show up," Aigen said. "We thought we had enough area to accommodate all the people. It was not a good judgment call. The neighborhood wasn't equipped."

But handing out the applications early did nothing to stem the flow of potential applicants.

By 10 a.m. the crowd had swelled to more than 500 people, with most unaware that the bulk of applications had already been passed out.

The parking lot was a mass of women nursing crying babies, pushing strollers and waiting anxiously for officials to give them information.

People grew agitated. Several fights broke out. Police and firefighters said they were prepared if things were to turn violent on a large scale. Nearly 50 firefighters and paramedics from the city, county and Delray Beach set up across the street in the Town Center mall parking lot.

Then an official came out of the housing authority building and announced through a megaphone that disabled people should come forward.

Instead, the entire crowd surged forward. People fell down and were close to being trampled, witnesses said.

"That's when all hell broke loose," said Shannon Pierce, 26, of Lake Worth. Pierce, who is six months pregnant and had been waiting in line since 6 a.m. "We almost got trampled over."

Authorities decided to shut things down.

Police told the crowd they had to leave. Angry and disappointed, many of those waiting stalked off.

Those who remained were soon dispersed by police in riot gear, many shouting and complaining.

"Frustration builds after you have been in line for hours," said Robert Nelligan, Boca Raton Fire Rescue division chief. "Then you are told 'no.' Emotions can take over."

Angelica Rivera, a 28-year-old mother of five who had been pleading with officers to let her drop off her housing application, refused their orders to leave the property. She was handcuffed and dragged off to a police van, charged with disorderly conduct, disobeying a lawful order and resisting without violence. A second person was booked on similar charges.

In general, however, the crowd broke up peacefully. Many people remained on the scene, but off of authority property.

"We think we handled it with restraint," said police spokeswoman Sandra Boonenberg. "We had good communication with the people, the crowd cooperated, and we avoided any negative issues. We were very pleased with the way it was done and that nobody get hurt."

"If we can control the situation by our presence, that is the best possible outcome."

Most of the crowd disagreed.

"We're all working people and we're all bitter right now," said Deborah Davis, 37. "To be turned away like this hurts."

People in the line said they came overnight, from as far away as Riviera Beach and Pahokee, to apply for the housing subsidy.

"I'm very angry," said Nora Jones, 55 from Lake Worth, who said she had been there since 5 a.m. "Very disappointed. It's so unorganized. They are asking everyone to leave."

Amanda Palmer, 23, waited in line for hours with her 3-month old daughter. Palmer is staying in a maternity home, from which she must move out by June.

"That's why I'm here. This is my first child," Palmer said. "We really need it."

Shayla Williams, 22, of West Palm Beach, was angered by the police tactics.

"This place is going to get shot up later," she yelled to officers. "They can't treat us like this."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: floriduh; handouts; housing; police; riot; section8; taxes; welfare
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
W's fault for sure....he'd the POTUS, hhmmmm, always easier to blame the other guy. Let's see, think the gov will give us money monthly to live in a 1400 sq ft apartment oceanside???

If so, we can take turns holding our place in line.

28 yrs. old and mother of 5....wow. Talk about running a puppy farm.

21 posted on 03/14/2008 6:31:58 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Caipirabob
People in the line said they came overnight, from as far away as Riviera Beach and Pahokee, to apply for the housing subsidy.

Why am I not surprised that the HUMAN TRASH from Riviera Beach and Pahokee would prefer to live in Boca? Since there is no more room in Pearl City/Dixie Manor, I assume they will stuff these folks in those ratty complexes near Spanish River/BR Boulevard that have been the designated human fecal control zone in Boca for years.

I live in a rather affluent town where we basically do the same thing as Boca to satisfy our "affordable housing requirements." In the case of my township, we basically decided to heard all of our section 8ers into a section that borders Trenton, and that is cut off from the rest of our municipality by dead ends and traffic circles. In other words, we keep them cornered.

22 posted on 03/14/2008 7:16:22 AM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My guess is section 8 vouchers will handed out to these ne’er do wells. With the real estate crash many houses in decent neighborhoods are being rented. These houses will be rented out to these section 8 “families” which will trash these neighborhoods. Make people sell at distress prices and get the heck out


23 posted on 03/14/2008 10:03:02 AM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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To: Clemenza

see post 23?


24 posted on 03/14/2008 10:03:27 AM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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To: dennisw
During the last real estate downturn, they were typically sent to apartment/condo complexes that had difficulty renting. With the overbuild of condos, I can see this happening.

I don't see the Bocacrats rolling over on this. Folks from the NE, for all of their liberalism, fight tooth and nail against "low income housing" in their neighborhoods. Google "Mario Cuomo" and "Forest Hills" and you will see my point.

Nevertheless, a friend of mine who grew up in the city of North Miami told me how, after the Liberty City riots, the feds gave section 8 vouchers to the folks displaced by their own rioting. They soon turned every apartment complex in North Miami into the ghetto they left behind. It was only a matter of time before North Miami became just as bad as Liberty City or Overtown. See also East Orange and Irvington, NJ for the same phenomenon 14 years earlier.

Lower middle class nabes are usually the most likely to "turn." In other words, I would expect Margate, Deerfield Beach, Lantana, to go to the sh-thouse before Boca would.

25 posted on 03/14/2008 10:11:40 AM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: Clemenza

THanks..... So detcahed houses not so likely?


26 posted on 03/14/2008 10:23:23 AM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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To: Clemenza
Heh, have you been to Deerfield Beach lately? It's virtually already there.

In any event, although the housing agency is located in Boca, it's not as if this is for housing only in Boca. The condition for these section 8 vouchers is that the recipients live somewhere -- anywhere -- in Palm Beach County for a year. Then they can live anywhere they want inside or outside of the county (as long as they find a landlord willing to take the voucher).

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/story/455977.html

27 posted on 03/14/2008 11:36:19 AM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: King of Florida
Deerfield Beach has never been that great. Not as bad as Pompano, but close. Like so many towns in SoFla, things are nice on the beach, but not so nice when you get to the mainland.

My sister lived for awhile in a nice complex right off of Hillsborough. Once you got on Hillsborough proper, however, you were in the ghetto.

Most South Florida towns are "spotty" as my mother would say. You have beautiful nabes near the intercoastal, but dangerous ghetto/sleazy nabes further on the mainland, particularly immediately adjacent to I-95 in the case of Palm Beach/Broward/Dade Counties.

28 posted on 03/14/2008 11:46:19 AM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: Clemenza

That I-95 rule is very true. It’s actually a valley effect — really nice places on the beach and intracoastal, progressively depressed as you move to I-95 (and in Broward extending in many cases to the Turnpike), then things slowly get better again the farther west you go. We moved from one end to the other when we had kids — from South Beach all the way out to the SW Broward ’burbs. My wife would have nothing to do with anything in between, even though it would have been closer to work for me.


29 posted on 03/14/2008 11:58:21 AM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: King of Florida

I still find it hysterical when people refer to suburbia. To THIS New Yorker, ALL of South Florida is suburban. Even the urban areas are tract homes and strip malls.


30 posted on 03/14/2008 12:34:03 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: RSmithOpt

If they had started at 7AM, there wouldn’t have been a riot.


31 posted on 03/14/2008 12:37:41 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: King of Florida

Notice that nowhere in these stories is it mentioned that these po’ people are fighting over section 8 vouchers. Is that in fact the case? Am I dumb to ask such a question?


32 posted on 03/14/2008 1:21:34 PM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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To: Clemenza

I know what you’re saying — I myself moved down here from Manhattan some 15 years ago — but South Beach is unique, and very Manhattan-like in many, many ways. (Indeed, that’s precisely why I lived there.) It’s the only place in South Florida where I know a lot of people who don’t own a car. I used to walk everywhere — to the grocery store, dry cleaners, hardware store, shoe repair, bank, drugstore, even the dentist. My move out of there two years ago was definitely a big switch. I can’t walk anywhere now, except maybe around the block.


33 posted on 03/14/2008 7:14:20 PM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: dennisw
Notice that nowhere in these stories is it mentioned that these po’ people are fighting over section 8 vouchers. Is that in fact the case? Am I dumb to ask such a question?

It's mentioned right up front in the Miami Herald story I linked to. The Herald is a decent paper. The Sun Sentinel is a piece of liberal fish wrap. The PB Post isn't far behind.

34 posted on 03/14/2008 7:16:32 PM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: King of Florida

THanks for pointing that out!


35 posted on 03/14/2008 11:18:43 PM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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