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Prince Harry and the 4th Fighter Wing (US Pilots on Harry's performance)
Goldsboro News Argus ^ | 3-12-08 | Kenneth Fine

Posted on 03/13/2008 9:39:07 AM PDT by jbwbubba

Prince Harry learns why 4th is first A call comes in from somewhere in the desert.

A Joint Tactical Air Controller on the ground in Afghanistan's Helmand province needs air support.

He and his comrades are taking fire from a trench line.

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Hundreds of miles away, Capt. Ben Donberg can hear the gunshots.

He is the command pilot on the other end of that call.

His F-15E Strike Eagle and another, both assets of Seymour Johnson Air Force Base's 4th Fighter Wing, are on their way -- "very, very fast."

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Back on the ground, "WIDOW 67" waits.

He is talking to the Air Force captain.

His voice is muffled only by the sound of insurgent fire.

Just another JTAC in need of some assistance, Donberg assumes.

"It was just a standard troops-in-contact call, and we checked in with him," he said. "He's got a British accent, but that wasn't at all unusual because we were working with the British a lot over there."

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Donberg had no idea that the man behind that call sign was third in line to the British throne.

But the truth is, had he, it would not have altered his response.

His role as an American pilot is to protect and support Allied forces on the ground.

All of them.

This time, it just happened to be Prince Harry.

"He was taking fire from a trench line and was using surveillance to try to find (the insurgents)," Donberg said. "In that terrain, it can be pretty tough to dig them out."

But failure on the part of the JTAC is not an option.

In fact, without the location of the insurgents and other information, the pilots in the sky are powerless to act.

"When we check in with that JTAC, first he gives you an overview of what's happening on the ground ... where the friendlies are, who they are taking fire from and other variables that might be included in the fight," Donberg said. "We then check in and say, 'This is what we can offer you. These are the weapons we have, that kind of thing.'"

Luckily for the prince and his men, Harry is good at what he does, Donberg said.

"His proficiency level and his skill level were just extraordinarily high," Donberg said. "In fact, everybody in that sortie, all four of us, once we got down, we all commented on the proficiency and the skill he was providing us."

Donberg and his wingman, Capt. Jonathan Bess, returned the favor with some precision of their own.

"It was a weapons employment," Donberg said. "We had three strikes going in to basically take out all the enemy within that trench line."

*

Looking back on that mission, knowing now that "WIDOW 67" was, in fact, royalty, strikes Donberg as "interesting."

After all, the Helmand province is no "cake walk."

In fact, the south of the country is one of the more dangerous areas to be a ground troop, he said.

So what exactly was Prince Harry doing in that firefight?

The same thing Donberg was doing in the air, he says -- fighting to protect a newly liberated country's freedom.

"The fact that he was down in this location, this forward operating base, where it's not the safest spot in Afghanistan by a long shot, it tells you something about him," Donberg said. "I mean, he was actually down there in the fight."

*

The prince and his unit survived that encounter with the help of an F-15E fleet that is always just a call away -- just as many other "boots on the ground" have been protected and "enabled" by those constantly patrolling the skies over a country on the mend.

4th Fighter Wing Vice Commander Col. Dan Debree held the same position with the 455th Air Expeditionary Wing at Afghanistan's Bagram Air Base when that call came in from "WIDOW 67."

"Eliminating that threat for those troops on the ground, air power allows us to do that," he said. "The bottom line over there in Afghanistan is that air power is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Those aircraft enable the ground forces out there to fight this fight."

They might be performing convoy clearing, an escort service or simply a show of force.

But whatever the mission, they answer that call.

"What we provide is a lot of ordnance and we get there fast," DeBree said. "And when we get there, we can make a lot of noise to hopefully scare them off, or might even drop a weapon if we have to."

And if there are more JTACs out there like Prince Harry, he feels confident that each bomb dropped will serve its purpose alone and avoid inflicting collateral damage.

"This campaign we are doing right now in Afghanistan is the most disciplined and precise air campaign I have ever seen," the colonel said. "We are, to the letter, making sure that civilians are out of harm's way and that friendlies are out of harm's way before a weapon comes off that jet."

And more importantly, they are making sure that employment of weapons is a last resort -- as it was in the case of "WIDOW 67" and his unit.

Only then, DeBree said, can they succeed in the real mission.

"Basically, it comes down to three pillars, three missions we are trying to accomplish in Afghanistan. First, we are trying to establish security because it's a prerequisite for the other two. That's the shooting part," he said. "But in my opinion, and I'm quoting dead British generals right now, 'The shooting part of a counter-insurgency is only about 25 percent of it. The other 75 percent is (governance of 34 provinces and development of sound infrastructure)."

"It's a tough game for sure, but it's all about security first, governance and development," Debree added. "And then, hopefully, the governance and development are strong enough and the Afghan Army is strong enough that they can take care of themselves."

By Kenneth Fine Published in News on March 12, 2008 02:12 PM


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: princeharry; royals; uktroops
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To: Niteranger68

My daughter has the biggest crush on that kid, she thinks he is cute. Thank goodness he doesn’t look like Charles. ( who looks like a horse).


21 posted on 03/13/2008 10:09:22 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: najida; Xenalyte; AnAmericanMother; AxelPaulsenJr

Royal Watchers ping. (And Cute Boy ping to #20, n.)


22 posted on 03/13/2008 10:12:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Let all creation sing of salvation. Let us together give praise forever!)
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To: fishtank

~~sigh~~
old lady gossip and long disproven.

Besides, look at a pic of younger Andrew/Edward, the Duke of Windsor OR Di’s bro-— that’s who he looks like.


23 posted on 03/13/2008 10:16:05 AM PDT by najida (Your advice is like offering a Twinkie to Julia Childs.)
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To: RDTF

See my above post——

Old gossip and Di didn’t get involved with Hewitt until 3 years after Harry’s birth...and only AFTER the finall Camilla fall out.


24 posted on 03/13/2008 10:17:41 AM PDT by najida (Your advice is like offering a Twinkie to Julia Childs.)
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks! I’m a big fan of Brit Hx....and Di did a great job with her boys.


25 posted on 03/13/2008 10:19:11 AM PDT by najida (Your advice is like offering a Twinkie to Julia Childs.)
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To: najida

I’m not so sure


26 posted on 03/13/2008 10:20:35 AM PDT by RDTF (Go AEGIS!)
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To: RDTF

I strongly disagree-— and if you look a pictures of the Windsor side, as well as Di’s brother, Harry is part of the family.

I’m not saying Di was an angel, but there were things even she wouldn’t have done-— sadly, putting all of Charles stuff in front of the palace and setting it on fire wasn’t one of them.


27 posted on 03/13/2008 10:22:26 AM PDT by najida (Your advice is like offering a Twinkie to Julia Childs.)
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To: jbwbubba
More smooth kills, brought to you by your United States Air Force.

Thank you for the assist (and your bravery) WIDOW 67. Nice to see you're living up to your family's reputation for bravery under fire.

28 posted on 03/13/2008 10:25:35 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: RDTF; najida

RDTF, do you honestly think that if there were any doubt in the minds of the Queen and Prince Charles about Harry’s father, that it wouldn’t have been dealt with. Even in the Old Days, before DNA testing, they always seemed to manage to get a legitimate son on the throne.


29 posted on 03/13/2008 10:26:55 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Let all creation sing of salvation. Let us together give praise forever!)
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To: najida

Harry looks a lot like young Prince Andrew in the post 20 picture - the different hair color doesn’t show under the beret.


30 posted on 03/13/2008 10:28:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Let all creation sing of salvation. Let us together give praise forever!)
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To: RDTF; fishtank
Even if Hewitt is his biological dad, his bravery comes through the Windsor line. Charles never saw combat but is said to have been an impressive and physically courageous officer who once "disrupted" a security exercise by commandeering a chopper and flying himself and his sister away from the bad guys. Uncle Andrew put his royal butt on the line to rescue survivors from the Atlantic Conveyor

during the Falklands conflict.

31 posted on 03/13/2008 10:29:50 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: Tax-chick

LOL - I don’t know (or care). I just know that his DNA seems different - and he not only acts and looks just like him he has the exact same walk, expressions and mannerisms too.


32 posted on 03/13/2008 10:31:42 AM PDT by RDTF (Go AEGIS!)
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To: brwnsuga
My daughter has the biggest crush on that kid, she thinks he is cute. Thank goodness he doesn’t look like Charles. ( who looks like a horse).

Hey now...there's no need to insult horses.

33 posted on 03/13/2008 10:33:46 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Where are they hiding Obama’s white half?)
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To: Hunton Peck
You know, maybe we got it all wrong when we rejected the monarchy. I mean, three heartbeats from the British crown is this young, capable, intelligent soldier; three heartbeats from the American presidency is Robert Byrd.

Get ahold of a book called King, Kaiser, Tsar and read the parts about "Eddie", aka, Prince Albert Victor. Britain dodged a bullet big time when he died of influenza and his brother George became the crown prince.

34 posted on 03/13/2008 10:34:31 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: colorado tanker

It used to be a tradition for the younger brother of the crown prince to join the Army or Navy (usually Navy) and stay in it for life, often becoming admirals or generals on merit alone. Based on this report and his fierce loyalty to his men, that might just be a good career path for him.


35 posted on 03/13/2008 10:36:57 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: RDTF; fishtank; najida
Here's a painting of Andrew doing his bit as a Sea king pilot:

At the time of this rescue work, the Brits were expecting a follow-on Argentine attack at any moment, IIRC.

Hewitt is an ass, and you don't have to like Charles to respect his family's habit of getting into the thick of combat and doing a good job while there.

36 posted on 03/13/2008 10:43:47 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: Abathar
Yep, he drinks beer, chases women and can fight.

His older brother Andrew also excels in this also. In fact during the Falklands war the queen instructed the captain of Andrew's ship that the fact he was royalty was to have no bearing on his service. Andrew was a chopper pilot and went out and fought just like the other pilots. I wish it were Harry or Andrew in line for the throne and not Charles. However, I suspect it is a lot more fun to be Andrew or Harry as opposed to the Prince of Wales.

37 posted on 03/13/2008 10:51:55 AM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
It used to be a tradition for the younger brother of the crown prince to join the Army or Navy (usually Navy) and stay in it for life, often becoming admirals or generals on merit alone. Based on this report and his fierce loyalty to his men, that might just be a good career path for him.

Agreed!

Back in the old days, when English wealth was mainly predicated on land ownership, the practice of primogeniture often resulted in younger sons of the aristocracy taking up commissions in the Army or Navy.

38 posted on 03/13/2008 10:56:35 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: RDTF

YOUR supposed point being?


39 posted on 03/13/2008 10:59:37 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Cyclone Conservative
Indeed.

It looks like Harry has really grown up over the past couple of years.

BTW, I really like his call sign, Widow 67.

40 posted on 03/13/2008 11:00:20 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. - George Patton)
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