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1 posted on 03/13/2008 3:32:58 AM PDT by Nony
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Ping to come back later. I have learned never to post about Alan Dershowitz until after I have woken up completely.


2 posted on 03/13/2008 3:38:21 AM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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My Father always told me if I do the right thing and stay away from people of questionable character I would do well.

Seems Ellie never got this advice.

It is amazing how sh*t attracts sh*t, Alan Dur.... what a piece of crap this individual is.


4 posted on 03/13/2008 3:40:35 AM PDT by Shirerwasright (Liberalism continues to erode the foundations of America)
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It's simply none of the federal government's business that a man may have been moving his own money around in order to keep his wife in the dark about his private sexual peccadilloes.

Gotta say I agree with him there. It's sweet that they caught the hypocritical steamroller, but ultimately there was no need for the feds to "catch" him.

5 posted on 03/13/2008 3:40:40 AM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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" ... Federal money-laundering statutes criminalize many entirely legitimate and conventional banking transactions ... "


Though I hate to admit it, Dershowitz is right in that respect. The Feds have made your local bank teller an agent of the government.



It remains, that my opinion of Dershowitz is right down there with any other of our enemy socialist Democrat Party and Rhino miscreants.


ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE

6 posted on 03/13/2008 3:43:58 AM PDT by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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The thing is, his history indicates that Eliot Spitzer would have been thrilled to have done to someone else what the investigators in this case did. So no, no poor Eliot. A predatory (former)prosecutor was caught by the same system and rules that he exploited.
7 posted on 03/13/2008 3:44:36 AM PDT by MichiganMan (Remember when Linkin Park wasn't on your mom's radio station?)
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I do enjoy when editorials have titles that aren’t substantiated within the text of the editorial it titles - no entrapment here.

But the point behind it is a valid one - how much money, manpower and time was wasted in this? Where in the constitution does it enumerate the power of the Federal government to go after prostitution?

It’s not ironic, but justice, that Spitzer has been caught by the same abusive laws that he went after others with, with equal zeal. That the most significant portions that caught Spitzer were added by Democrats is particularly delicious as their ‘shining knight’ found out that he brought a pole arm to a gun fight.


10 posted on 03/13/2008 3:48:14 AM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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Interesting article.

I don’t normally agree with Dershowitz but I do in this case.


12 posted on 03/13/2008 3:50:34 AM PDT by ksen (Don't steal. The government hates the competition. - sign on Ron Paul's desk)
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Dershowitz is pleading Spitzer's case not truly commenting on the scope of the law.

The anti-money laundering laws are broad; they are designed to catch drug smugglers, and terrorists among others. But Dershowitz is trying to make Spitzer sound like an innocent and he is not.

Spitzer in knowing violation of the currency laws deliberately structured his cash transactions to stay below the $10,000 reportable limit and the Feds have him dead to rights.

Verdict: GUILTY!

13 posted on 03/13/2008 3:50:47 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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Well, I hate to go agreeing with Dershowitz, but he does have a point. From my profile page:

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”
- Ayn Rand, ‘Atlas Shrugged’ 1957

It’s pretty obvious that Spitzer used laws of the sort described above, in that manner, as a source of power over others. Hence all the irony and schadenfreude surrounding this event.


16 posted on 03/13/2008 3:52:25 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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it’s real early to come out swinging (no pun intended) for Spitzer, before information about taxes ,etc. come out about Emporer’s Club. Is the argument, you have to pay taxes and follow all sorts of work place rules if you’re a legitimate business, but keep all that kind of stuff under cover if you’re an illegal business and it’s OK?


18 posted on 03/13/2008 3:53:32 AM PDT by gusopol3
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I wonder if Dershowitz approved of the manner in which Spitzer went after Grasso.

What would Dershowitz have the Feds do? Upon learning of the information from the bank, should they have given Spitzer a courtesy call telling him to clean up his act or else?


19 posted on 03/13/2008 3:54:55 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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It's simply none of the federal government's business that a man may have been moving his own money around in order to keep his wife in the dark about his private sexual peccadilloes.

Why is it that private sexual peccadilloes and the means by which they are satisfied are always legal no matter how illegal they are? If Spitzer were moving money around like that so he could keep his wife in the dark about his private cocaine habit, would that be okay? If Spitzer were moving around money like that to keep his wife in the dark about his private gun running habit, would that be okay? If Spitzer were moving around money like that to keep his wife in the dark about his private dogfighting habit, would that be okay?

You can call prostitution a victimless crime all you like, but it's still illegal in the states where Spitzer was doing it. Change the law? Fine, but until you do, the people who break the prostitution laws are just as guilty as the people who break the robbery laws and the assault laws and the securities fraud laws.

20 posted on 03/13/2008 3:56:00 AM PDT by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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I don't care how this POS was brought down....just glad that he was.

He needed a major attitude adjustment and thankfully he got one.


21 posted on 03/13/2008 3:56:00 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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Dershowitz is client #8


24 posted on 03/13/2008 3:59:37 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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Wah!, Poor Dersh's student, exposed as the f'ing criminal that he is!

The sorry MF'er,while the AG of NY, was busting prostitution rings and using their services at the same time. For all we know, he was busting the competition. Nope, sorry Dersh, your boy is a f'ing crook.

25 posted on 03/13/2008 3:59:53 AM PDT by csvset
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The Entrapment of Eliot Spitzer

This is why I even had to cancel my subscription to the WSJ.

The title is not simply slanted, it is a lie.
Law Enforcement did not set up a brothel and work to get spitzer laid by extraordinarily high priced whores.

Spritzer and the pimps did that, and did it all by themselves.

26 posted on 03/13/2008 4:01:02 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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Alan Doucheowitz?


27 posted on 03/13/2008 4:01:57 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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Except for the fact that he was stupid enough to ask the bank to remove his name from the transaction to avoid federal scrutiny.

That pretty much of shoots a massive hole in the entrapment bull hockey.


28 posted on 03/13/2008 4:02:00 AM PDT by listenhillary (You watch, Hillary will challenge McCain for the R nomination)
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The problem I have with this whole thing, and please correct me if I am in error, is that I have not seen anything definitive saying that he was buying with his own money. Are we are presuming he was, but could the sting be based upon his using money from some public or political fund? That kind of activity would place his transgressions into a whole different category and would certainly create a situation in which he would be forced to resign rather than tough it out.
I have thought the media was purposely vague as to the money source.


30 posted on 03/13/2008 4:04:30 AM PDT by louie2
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Entrapment?
What entrapment?
He was a sleaze. He was crooked. He got caught.
Now he has a major personal problem.


31 posted on 03/13/2008 4:04:51 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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